Dodge and Cover

[shnar]

A player brought this up the other night. He felt that the extra dice from Cover added to the default difficulty. Then if a character were to do a Combat Dodge, it replaced the difficulty (including the extra roll for cover).

For example, Pirate is hiding around a pillar, +2D for Cover. He rolls a total of 4. The Rebel firing at him is Moderate range of 12 difficulty, add 4 for a total of 16 difficulty. Pirate is doing a Combat Dodge and has 4D Dodge skill. He rolls a 14 on his dodge. Does he get a total dodge of 14 or 18 (the extra 2D for cover)?

-shnar

[Gry Sarth]

I would think your exemple is correct. Dodging behind cover has a much higher chance of success that just dodging all by yourself, so the cover bonus should be added to the dodge roll.
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[Phalanks Balas]

I agree with Gry.
Assuming the dodging caracter will try to be more masked by the cover, that makes sense to add cover bonus to the dodge roll.
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[ifurin]

we've always added the cover bonus to both the dodge and the difficulty to hit. +3 to the difficulty for every die of cover then if they dodge they also get to add the cover die to it. in our games cover is a good thing! besides if people are smart enough to use cover they are usually smart enough to duck behind it when shot at.

[shnar]

That's how I ruled, but I figured I should get a general consensus.

-shnar

[garhkal]

I asked this a while back, and i was thinking with some 'areas of cover' how could one dodge if behind it...
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[shnar]

The justification I used was that if you're ducking up and down behind the cover, that's effectively dodging behind the cover. You get your dodge skill plus the cover mod. If you're just standing behind the cover, then it's the distance +cover mod (you're still partially covered). It didn't make any sense for me to think that just because I'm moving around (i.e. Dodging) that suddenly the cover is not there (i.e. don't get the cover bonus).

Just makes sense to me that it should be harder for someone to hit me if I was dodging behind an obstacle, than if I'm just dodging out in the open...

-shnar

[FightingCorsair]

the other advantage of using cover is if the character does end up taking a hit, the cover could add some dice to the STR roll to resist the damage.

[garhkal]

But to m if you are using the cover to block incoming shots, how are you dodging around behind it?
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[Ankhanu]

[Gry Sarth]

If you are just sitting there behind cover, there's really no point in dodging, you are already covered, and it's just a matter of your covering resisting the attack's damage. I think what we are discussing here is dodging INTO cover, like quickly rising to take a shot and ducking back down behind a bar.
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[ifurin]

this is one of those rules that depend on the situation. if you are using a building for cover you could dodge behind it, but if you use a tree 3/4 your size you get cover but not a dodge bonus. there are situations for every rule where the rule just doesn't make sense, just be fair in your ruling.

[DarthMortis]

[jmanski]

Only in a cartoon....
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[Gry Sarth]

So if you're playing a "Clone Wars" campaign, then it's ok?
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