Lightsaber Base Difficulty rule

worfbacca · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 105

My friend interprets the 2nd edtion R&E rules for Full Reaction on a lightsaber as thus.
Attacker decides to attack target with lightsaber
Defender decides to use full dodge
All new attacker difficulties applied
He believes that this included the base difficulty for using a lightsaber. So Instead of Difficult it is now Difficult+Whatever just to use the saber..not hit the guy.

Is this correct or not?
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Crell Damar · Line Captain Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 845

It's base difficulty + defender's parry to hit the guy, base difficulty is used for determining whether or not the lightsaber user inflicts self injury.
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worfbacca · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 105

But the base difficulty to use the lightsaber is unaffected by a full reaction parry roll..only the reaction(parry) is affected correct? 2nd edtion R&E says all attackers difficulties' are increased. My friend thinks that includes the base difficulty of the lightsaber.
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Rathe Ehtar · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:49 pm Post subject:

Lightsaber difficulty is difficult which is about 18-20. Full parry is your roll plus the difficulty number to hit you.
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Gry Sarth · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:20 pm Post subject:

Do you guys play lightsabers so that you can't hit anybody unless you roll at least a 16 (minium for Difficult difficulty)?

I started a new Jedi campaign this weekend and we soon abandoned this rule, since if we played it like that, nobody would ever hit anyone. We still stuck by the rule that if you roll less then difficulty-10 (in this case 6) you hit yourself. But needing to roll a 16 to hit an imobile target seemed a little harsh...

What do you think? Are we making a mistake?

Volar the Healer · Jedi Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 664 Location: Arizona, USA

I would say yes, you are making a mistake. I have always required a 20 to hit with this weapon in combat because much of the wielder's concern is on not hitting himself. This increases the difficulty.

Generally, though not always, it requires a 5 to hit with your hand (or a small knife), a 10 to hit with a larger one handed weapon (such as a sword or club), a 15 to hit with a two handed weapon, and a 20 to hit with a weapon that can cut yourself in half if you screw up (a lightsaber). This seems reasonable to me, especialy since the larger weapons require more skill. The game difficulty is balanced with the damage the weapons inflict.

I have often ruled it takes less to hit a stationary object when opposition is not a problem, such as cutting open a dead taun-taun or a door. This might be a better approach than lowering the overall difficulty.

After all, if you actually had an opportunity to twirl a lightsaber all around yourself - wouldn't you be more carefull? Given the opportunity in real life, wouldn't you think twice before even turning the thing on?
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obidancer · Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:01 am Post subject:

I agree with Volar. Instead of reducing difficulties, try to add bonuses to hit stationary objects. THis way you may just roll a 10 but with another +10 bonus you still hit the skill difficulty...

Volar the Healer · Jedi Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 664 Location: Arizona, USA

Rathe Ehtar · Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject:

Um, brawling parry is not only blocking but dodging, ducking and weeving out of the way. The skill brawling parry is a misnomer in this respect. Using the example of lightsaber vs. unarmed, the lightsaber wielder gets a +10 to hit. The defenders skill roll is not penalized. Also, one does not have to parry with the melee wpn while still using the melee parry skill, as stated on pg. 90 of SW2ndR&E, to get out of the way.

Personally, I keep lightsaber difficulty as the stated difficult. I mean if kids can do it... Cercumstance modifiers make the roll more or less difficult. Right?
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MA-3PO · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:58 am Post subject:

Sorry to beat a dead tauntaun but...

So the difficulty to use a lightsaber is 20 but the Jedi rolls a 14. Ok, now the defender rolls Melee Parry (not full parry) as his defense and gets a 9.

Does the Jedi hit the target because he rolled higher than the defender even though he didn't get 20?

Krapou · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:21 am Post subject:

MA-3PO · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:37 am Post subject:

If the Jedi rolls a 10 or less does he miss no matter what? (Since he probably just injured himself)

Krapou · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:31 am Post subject:

Well, it is up to the GM, but I would say yes Twisted Evil

Volar the Healer · Jedi Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 664 Location: Arizona, USA

garhkal · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:53 am Post subject:

I have always ran it, that the jedi using the LS has to hit the base diff or the parry which ever is higher, but the base diff (16) still comes into play, as with a LS you DO have to worry more about cutting yourself.

As to the parry. If he does a full parry with his LS, what he rolls adds into the base range diff, like someone doing a full dodge.
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