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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14173 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: Negotiations/?? What skill> |
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Ok, say we were to play a campaign centered on, say CorSec. What skill(s) would a hostage crisis negotiator have? What about a suicide prevention negotiator?? _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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noctum_carpe Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 2466 Location: Lidköping, Sweden
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Gry Sarth Jedi
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 5304 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Indeed, it all depends on the approach.
If you try to convince him that's not the best course of action: persuasion.
If you try to assure him he won't be arrested and they just want the hostages back and he can go free: con.
If you try to negotiate giving him a speeder in exchange for all the hostages: bargain.
If you try to make him see he doesn't stand a chance and should better give himself up: intimidation.
And if you go for "aggresive negotiations": lightsaber.
I don't think Command would work, as I see that only being used to affect people already under your command, not to dominate others...
Well, anyway, you'd better have a high Perception. _________________ "He's Gry Sarth, of course he has the stats for them." |
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Xynar Commander
Joined: 10 Aug 2003 Posts: 282 Location: Northwest Indiana
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Gry Sarth wrote: | Well, anyway, you'd better have a high Perception. |
Or dodge in case your Perception isn't up to snuff. _________________ Xynar
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Phalanks Balas Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 176 Location: Paris - France
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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If they want to explain why they are innocent it's CON.
If they want to make a deal (if you release us I can give you data regarding...) it's BARGAIN.
If they want to order to be released (assuming corsec people think they are imperial special agent for exemple) it's COMMAND.
Persuasion is used to interrogate (persuade someone to speak...). _________________ Phalanks
A day you will be facing the guns of the Black Pearl. You will know what means damned pirates ! |
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Xynar Commander
Joined: 10 Aug 2003 Posts: 282 Location: Northwest Indiana
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Phalanks Balas wrote: | Persuasion is used to interrogate (persuade someone to speak...). |
Interrogation is a specialization of Intimidation. _________________ Xynar
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Ankhanu Vice Admiral
Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 3089 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
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It all depends on the method of interrogation. If it's coercion, it's persuade, if it's threatening or strong arm, it's interrogation, if you're offering up a deal "we can reduce your jail time if you answer these questions" it might come under bargain or persuade..
Basically:
Convincing someone of something in their best interest, or simply isn't against their interest: Persuade
Convincing someone of something that isn't in their best interest and may be harmful: Con
Convincing through force or threat: Intimidate
Dealing to get information: Bargain (generally) |
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Gry Sarth Jedi
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 5304 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I don't think a Con is "convincing someone of something that isn't in their best interest and may be harmful", that would be either persuasion or intimidation, depending on how you went about it. Con would be lying to the person or twisting the truth in order to convince him to do what you want. Like saying his buddies betrayed him (when they didn't) and he'd better tell on them, or making false promises... _________________ "He's Gry Sarth, of course he has the stats for them." |
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Ankhanu Vice Admiral
Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 3089 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I wouldn't consider a lie to be in one's best interests
That's basically what I meant, but I see its pretty open to interpretation and not as clear as I'd hoped. |
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Gry Sarth Jedi
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 5304 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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One's "best interests" is a very subjective thing. What you might consider your best interests might in fact not be, considering the big picture.
I think the difference among these skills is not what you try to achieve with them, but how you go about it, what tools you use.
- If you use falsehood, lies, half-trues, made-up stories: Con.
- If you use logical arguments, appeal to reason and genereally try to convince someone with arguments you believe to be true: Persuasion.
- If you use bullying, show of force, mind games, threats or subtler things of that type: Intimidation. _________________ "He's Gry Sarth, of course he has the stats for them." |
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