Black hole escape??

[Gry Sarth]

In my own personal view, high physics concepts like wormholes and tunneling should remain well away from Star Wars. Star Wars is not sci-fi like Star Trek, it's space opera. All it needs to function is the bare minimum information of "jump to hyperspace, you'll get there very fast, make some calculations first, though." No need to get technical.

Again, this is Star Wars for me. And I'm sure people who are into these atrophysical studies would get a kick of inserting such concepts into their star wars games.
_________________
"He's Gry Sarth, of course he has the stats for them."

[Boomer]

But despite popular beleif, Star Trek did not follow realistic physics either.

They wrote "[Tech Word]" into the script, the actors improved pseudo-scientific terms on the set. Not a single bit of that garbage is real or has any bearing on reality.
Star Trek is also just Space Opera, not true sci-fi. It is a drama merely set in space, space is where the story unfolds.
_________________
My backpack has jets!
I'm Boba the Fett!
And I bounty hunt for Jabba Hutt,
to finance my 'vette!

[Gry Sarth]

I know Star Trek doesn't use realistic physics, what I meant is that it tries to sort of explain it and make it sound plausible, whereas Star Wars doesn't really give a damn.
_________________
"He's Gry Sarth, of course he has the stats for them."

[Boomer]

This is true. But Star Wars, in it's effort to leave things blank, let's people that know what they are talking about when it comes to physics fill in the blanks, and let's people who don't care just ignore it.

...where-as Star Trek bores people that don't care and insults those who know better... they need to stick to story and not try to "explain" everything.

But anyway, the majority of us here arn't getting much more technical than the movie got.
_________________
My backpack has jets!
I'm Boba the Fett!
And I bounty hunt for Jabba Hutt,
to finance my 'vette!

[garhkal]

[DS-61-4]

I have tried to set this straight in a previous post.

If you are willing to allow a roll for a quantum tunneling escape from a black hole, then you should allow rolls for

someone in the trash compactor when R2-D2 is away

someone crashing into a wall

someone punching someone in the face


coz "maybe" there is a chance that he will


survive the squish even though the walls are 1 inch apart in the end

pass through the wall like it wasn't there

see his fist on the other side of the guy's face



Plainly there is not a chance and that should be the end of it. I mean why should there be a chance? If you wanna make a Kessel Run, you're taking a serious risk. You mess it up, you die. Period.
_________________
Did you know I scored a hit on Red 5 at the battle of Yavin??

[Boomer]

Allright, the plain simple skinny of it. Quantum Tunneling is made up "out" for a situation where death is certain.
Any more explaination is just needless.
_________________
My backpack has jets!
I'm Boba the Fett!
And I bounty hunt for Jabba Hutt,
to finance my 'vette!

[garhkal]

Ah... that explains why i got a bad feeling about it when i read it... since i am one of those who do not like to use those type of 'get outs'...
_________________
Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk!

[Robert]

To settle things down: The question was whether escape is possible. I mentioned earlier that although tunneling is an existing possibility i would make use of it depending on whether the black hole is set up as a hazard or as awormhole. If you want to use it as a wormhole there is a way of esape, although it is still in discussion in todays physics - it is quantum tunneling. I didn´t want to say every ship has a chance (especially one that it has the time to roll it out during a 8hour session). I wanted to say that if you as gm plan escape or feel gracious, their is a way how your decision could be made believable.
_________________
"We don't stop playing because we grow old...we grow old because we stop playing." G.B. Shaw

[garhkal]

So only if the gm either is willing to let them live, or buys into these wormholes are black holes theories, will they live....

Ok.... guess we have killed this thread. 8)
_________________
Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk!

[hisham]

[Boomer]

::Takes some cake, and takes a bite while coming up with more points to make.::

But why not escape before you get to the part where escape is impossible. Instead of the GM even allowing them to get that close to the black hole, how about the issue of "Your getting awful close, need a plan of escape now" be brought up while it is still viable. That way, you still have all of the options of planning a proper route or whatever without breaking the laws of physics.
_________________
My backpack has jets!
I'm Boba the Fett!
And I bounty hunt for Jabba Hutt,
to finance my 'vette!

[garhkal]

Well, unless they are continually monitoring sensors made for detecting the event horison, they won't really know when they shift over its edge...
_________________
Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk!

[Boomer]

Long before you get to the event horizon you are clearly within a gravity well. You are falling in very feelable gravity. Anyone with an equilibrium and internal organs can tell they are getting close to something with gravitational pull.

Than there is the fact that also well before the event horizon is all the matter being destroyed long before it reaches the event horizon itself. Eevery dust particle falling apart and it's energies escaping. This surrounds the black hole in a big shell of energy.

If you have internal organs you know you are falling. If you have a window you can see the degenerating matter as it falls into the black hole so many thousands of miles below you before you reach it.

Black holes can never just sneak up on you. You have very, very fair warning long before you reach the point of "somewhat challenging" escape, let alone the point of "very difficult", "heroic", and "no" escape.

So, start exhausting the options when you get there.
_________________
My backpack has jets!
I'm Boba the Fett!
And I bounty hunt for Jabba Hutt,
to finance my 'vette!