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Savar
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| cynanbloodbane wrote: | | Savar wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | Savar wrote: | Is there a range difference?
In the movies the Stun rings look vary short ranged. Only the first range category. |
That is iirc how D20 SW handled it, you could only stun a target at short range. |
Could use that, it would be a lot easier then some complicated formula. |
I think I will be going this way. Maybe dropping a D or two for each range category. |
Just -2D per range category past the first one. Lol, that will make it pretty worthless past short range. |
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cynanbloodbane
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| Savar wrote: | | cynanbloodbane wrote: | | Savar wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | Savar wrote: | Is there a range difference?
In the movies the Stun rings look vary short ranged. Only the first range category. |
That is iirc how D20 SW handled it, you could only stun a target at short range. |
Could use that, it would be a lot easier then some complicated formula. |
I think I will be going this way. Maybe dropping a D or two for each range category. |
Just -2D per range category past the first one. Lol, that will make it pretty worthless past short range. |
Explaining why NOBODY but Stormtroopers living in fear of being force-choked by Vader don't bother!
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garhkal
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It has precedent though. Look at both the magna caster and the wrist vac launcher from galadiniums. Both weapons tier damage based on range.
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cynanbloodbane
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I found another precedent. The 2ed Revised GM screen equipment list:
Stun Pistol 1,F 200 3-10/20/40 3D (stun damage)
Riot Gun 2,R 750 3-10/30/60 8D (stun damage)
This would suggest that Stun blasts have a MUCH shorter effective range.
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evilnerf
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How about just raising the bar for unconcioiusness to the same bar as the Lethal track. So if you do under 9 damage, the target is stunned. If it's 9 damage or up, the target is unconcious.
This means that weapons set to stun are less effective in combat overall and should really only be used when you absolutely positively need the target taken alive.
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Merrick
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Savar wrote: | Is there a range difference?
In the movies the Stun rings look vary short ranged. Only the first range category. |
That is iirc how D20 SW handled it, you could only stun a target at short range. |
Actually D20 says stun setting is only good for 4 meters, also if the weapon is multi-fire you can only shoot once per round, and no critical hits. (p.133 core rulebook)
There are a few options there. No wild die? Fire rate of 1? That would put the kaibosh on stun abuse.
That would also make the stun pistol much more valuable, otherwise why would a player ever buy one?
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cynanbloodbane
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| Merrick wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | Savar wrote: | Is there a range difference?
In the movies the Stun rings look vary short ranged. Only the first range category. |
That is iirc how D20 SW handled it, you could only stun a target at short range. |
Actually D20 says stun setting is only good for 4 meters, also if the weapon is multi-fire you can only shoot once per round, and no critical hits. (p.133 core rulebook)
There are a few options there. No wild die? Fire rate of 1? That would put the kaibosh on stun abuse.
That would also make the stun pistol much more valuable, otherwise why would a player ever buy one? |
Forget the stun pistol, it'll take a Riot Gun to stop a Wookiee, or anybody in armor!
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garhkal
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| Merrick wrote: |
There are a few options there. No wild die? Fire rate of 1? That would put the kaibosh on stun abuse.
That would also make the stun pistol much more valuable, otherwise why would a player ever buy one? |
I've done the Fire rate of 1 before for home games. Players hated it! But then they generally hate anything that limits THEM (even if it also limits the enemy and does it more).
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Law964
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Our group has previously used a system where a character could sustain one stun level, plus one level for each full 1D in their Strength attribute, before going unconscious. If they fell unconscious, it was for 15 minutes, -1 minute for each 2D in stamina.
A damage result of stunned resulted in one stun level; wounded resulted in two; incapacitated boxed in all stun levels; mortally wounded boxed in all stun levels and one wounded damage level. This may have come from, in part at least, D6 Space or somewhere. |
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Naaman
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think that is approximately how the RAW handles it, no?
Stuns equal to D in Str will result in a knock out? |
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Law964 wrote: | | Our group has previously used a system where a character could sustain one stun level, plus one level for each full 1D in their Strength attribute, before going unconscious. If they fell unconscious, it was for 15 minutes, -1 minute for each 2D in stamina. |
| Naaman wrote: | I think that is approximately how the RAW handles it, no?
Stuns equal to D in Str will result in a knock out? |
| REUP wrote: | If a character is being “affected” from a number of
stuns equal to the number before the “D” for the character’s
Strength, the character is knocked unconscious for
2D minutes. A character making an Easy first aid total can
revive an unconscious character. |
Yes. Law964 just adds an extra stun than RAW before a character goes unconscious, and calculates the unconscious time differently.
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Law964
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I am going off of 2e and 2e R&E (not sure what 1e did), but we don't necessarily treat a roll above stunned as unconscious. Characters only went unconscious once they had filled in all of their stun boxes, based on the damage as described above. Sorry if that wasn't clear. That would be the big difference, I think.
So a character with Strength 3D+2 could take 4 stun boxes/levels before going unconscious. So a weapon set to "stun" that dealt a wounded result would check off two boxes by our system. That character takes the -1D penalty, but is still up. They would need another wounded or greater result before going down.
By Revised & Expanded, I believe one wounded result puts the character down for 10 minutes or 2D minutes, or something like that. But I might be wrong. We just moved on to a new homebrew system that is kind of a merge of True20 and the D6 skills system. Haven't played true Star Wars D6 in a year or more. |
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Ning Leihrec
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| evilnerf wrote: | How about just raising the bar for unconcioiusness to the same bar as the Lethal track. So if you do under 9 damage, the target is stunned. If it's 9 damage or up, the target is unconcious.
This means that weapons set to stun are less effective in combat overall and should really only be used when you absolutely positively need the target taken alive. |
That's my general feeling and this is basically what my revised stun damage chart does. I think it also makes sense for weapons set to stun to incur -1D damage, and shorten effective range by one bracket. Or another option would be to stack -1D damage per range bracket, so the stun bolt loses power as it travels. |
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