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Savar
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| Uglor as player chars. Has anyone made or played one? |
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Interesting. Never played one, but the concept of a character that can dial his own attributes as needed is a tempting one. Improving skills would present a challenge, as a variable attribute value throws off how to determine the CP cost to improve a skill. You'd probably have to set a base of 2D-3D and use that to calculate costs.
EDIT: At least, I assume you were talking about Ugors, as there is no entry for Uglors either on Wookieepedia or the Holocron.
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| crmcneill wrote: | Interesting. Never played one, but the concept of a character that can dial his own attributes as needed is a tempting one. Improving skills would present a challenge, as a variable attribute value throws off how to determine the CP cost to improve a skill. You'd probably have to set a base of 2D-3D and use that to calculate costs.
EDIT: At least, I assume you were talking about Ugors, as there is no entry for Uglors either on Wookieepedia or the Holocron. |
Yes your right about the race name.
If i played one i would have a "default" attribute spread. I would it for skill incress and attribute incress.
The trouble i see is what you could play, a tech could work scrounging stuff and jury rigging thing to make them work in a resource poor campaign, but that is the most i could see as the caustic personality would be issue for most other functions other then thug.
I was looking at doing a Jedi but don't see how to work that in with the role-playing. |
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CRMcNeill
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I agree. Perhaps a penalty of some kind would be appropriate for any of Perception's interpersonal-relationship-type skills, due to their disgusting appearance and their personality.
Maybe not a Jedi, but perhaps an Alien Student of the Force? The species worships garbage, so maybe he is that religion's equivalent of a priest?
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Savar
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| crmcneill wrote: | I agree. Perhaps a penalty of some kind would be appropriate for any of Perception's interpersonal-relationship-type skills, due to their disgusting appearance and their personality.
Maybe not a Jedi, but perhaps an Alien Student of the Force? The species worships garbage, so maybe he is that religion's equivalent of a priest? |
Rofl, i am a priest of garbage. |
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CRMcNeill
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You may laugh, but garbage hides great wisdom. In the end, all of us will be discarded, to be reabsorbed into the All that is the Universe, to be reborn anew. All that is new and fresh shall someday become garbage. It is the fate of all things. Meditate upon this wisdom, student.
EDIT: Oh, the fun I could have with this...
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Okay you decide to run a pbp game I will play one  |
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CRMcNeill
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| Savar wrote: | | Okay you decide to run a pbp game I will play one |
You don't need me. Just make up an Ugor Alien Student of the Force with a penchant for bombastic speeches on the beauty and enlightenment found in garbage.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Savar wrote: | | Okay you decide to run a pbp game I will play one |
You don't need me. Just make up an Ugor Alien Student of the Force with a penchant for bombastic speeches on the beauty and enlightenment found in garbage. |
Yup, just need to find a game. |
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An interesting idea for a species. I don't think I would allow an Ugor PC for game balance reasons (at any given time, they can have 4D in any attribute). But I have used them as NPCs. They have comedic value, especially when encountering their arch rival species, the Squibs, you bet. One man's junk is an amorphous blob's treasure.
| crmcneill wrote: | | I agree. Perhaps a penalty of some kind would be appropriate for any of Perception's interpersonal-relationship-type skills, due to their disgusting appearance and their personality. |
I agree with your logic, but a penalty is pointless for a species that has variable attributes. Effectively, it would be the same thing as just having a lower maximum attribute for Perception.
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| Whill wrote: | | I agree with your logic, but a penalty is pointless for a species that has variable attributes. Effectively, it would be the same thing as just having a lower maximum attribute for Perception. |
Depends on how you apply it. The basis for my idea is that not all Perception skills require interaction with other beings. Examples of this would include Forgery, Hide, Search and Sneak. In those cases, the Ugor would be fully capable of boosting its Perception up to 4D, with the attendant increase in skills. However, because of their annoying personalities and disturbing appearance, they would have greater difficulty with interpersonal relationship skills like Bargain, Command or Persuasion. In that case, applying a penalty to those skills would be like capping the Ugor's Perception attribute at 2D or 3D, but just for those skills.
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| crmcneill wrote: | You may laugh, but garbage hides great wisdom. In the end, all of us will be discarded, to be reabsorbed into the All that is the Universe, to be reborn anew. All that is new and fresh shall someday become garbage. It is the fate of all things. Meditate upon this wisdom, student.
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If you ever watched the old tv show, Fraggle rock (a Jim henderson production), they had the 'great trash heap'!
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See, this is why I love this place. It is literally the only place on the internet where you can find more than one person that actually know what a Ugor is, much less are discussing them. For a long time, this was my favorite race in Star Wars, from a conceptual standpoint (though I think they've since been superseded). Also, I'll lay ya odds that the Marvels audio drama in my sig is the only fan production you'll ever find to try and portray them outside of WEG...
In terms of a PC, could some sort of external attribute (similar to Control/Sense/Alter) be implemented to govern/limit a Ugor PC's ability to shift attribute dice, in order to restore some balance? With 'floating' skills ("improved to +1D+2 of the current attribute") that start at the maximum possible attribute cost for improving? (IE if Strength is up to 4D, to improve brawling +1 takes 4 character points; after you reach +1D, it takes 5 CP, +2D starts taking 6, etc.?) Essentially, as if the attribute is assumed to be the highest it can possibly be when factoring in CP cost, to keep improvement slow (which is compensated for by the abiltiy to bump those skills up to said max with a sufficient roll in the 'Extra Attribute for Shifting'?)
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Well, if nothing else, if you were to make a Force Sensitive Ugor, any dice you put toward Force skills (or a Force Attribute) would be permanently lost to the Attribute pool.
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| Zarm R'keeg wrote: | | With 'floating' skills ("improved to +1D+2 of the current attribute") that start at the maximum possible attribute cost for improving? (IE if Strength is up to 4D, to improve brawling +1 takes 4 character points; after you reach +1D, it takes 5 CP, +2D starts taking 6, etc.?) Essentially, as if the attribute is assumed to be the highest it can possibly be when factoring in CP cost, to keep improvement slow (which is compensated for by the abiltiy to bump those skills up to said max with a sufficient roll in the 'Extra Attribute for Shifting'?) |
That's an interesting approach to balance them. Treat all skill improvements as if the attribute is always at max..
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