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I always enjoy hearing about changes that people have made, little house rules that they have thrown in to their games where skills are involved.
In my game we eliminated 'XXX parry' skill folding all of them under the originating talent, it made sense to both myself and my players that if you had been trained in Melee, that the person would have trained you to parry as well. Two separate skills just seemed silly to us.
The same with Droid Program/repair (which used to be 1 skill...)
For that matter we moved Willpower to perception which is used for your resistance of mind controls and interrogation...
So what changes have you made?
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I like that and I may have to use it...
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I personally like Willpower under Knowledge as I feel it reflects the strength of one's mind whereas Perception deals with one's ability to perceive something.
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Bobmalooga
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That's understandable, but the problem i had was that they made perception the goto resistance stat for the force and torture. Truthfully, it should probably be knowledge as characters would know their doing something was wrong.
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| jmanski wrote: | | I personally like Willpower under Knowledge as I feel it reflects the strength of one's mind whereas Perception deals with one's ability to perceive something. |
The reason I didn't like it under Knowledge, is that it implies that willpower is something that can be taught. Of all the skills under the Knowledge stat, none of them involve a "strength of mind" (to use your phrase). They are all about how much you know of a thing, how much you have learned of (Languages, Star systems, cultures, bureaucracies, navigation, etc.) And I disagree strongly that having a Willpower to resist torture or mental influence, is something that can be booked. |
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I like Willpower under Knowledge because I consider it to be a broader scope than just what you can learn. IMO, where Perception is external (understanding of others and one's surroundings, Knowledge is internally focused, not only about what you have learned, but what you know about yourself.
Intimidation, on the other hand...
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I like intimidation being under know. Since it shows the knowledge of knowing where and how to put pressure on people.
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| garhkal wrote: | | I like intimidation being under know. Since it shows the knowledge of knowing where and how to put pressure on people. |
But too much of that is based on understanding how to affect others, and that is a Perception skill. Your argument could be just as easily used to put Persuasion under Knowledge as well.
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True, the arguments for most any know skill (or per skill) could be used to switch their attribute they are based under.
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| Random_Axe wrote: | | jmanski wrote: | | I personally like Willpower under Knowledge as I feel it reflects the strength of one's mind whereas Perception deals with one's ability to perceive something. |
The reason I didn't like it under Knowledge, is that it implies that willpower is something that can be taught. Of all the skills under the Knowledge stat, none of them involve a "strength of mind" (to use your phrase). They are all about how much you know of a thing, how much you have learned of (Languages, Star systems, cultures, bureaucracies, navigation, etc.) And I disagree strongly that having a Willpower to resist torture or mental influence, is something that can be booked. |
You make a good point, but it sounds almost like it should be under Strength from your argument.
IMHO Willpower can be taught: it's what keeps Navy Seals going on the beach during BUDS.
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Bobmalooga wrote: | I always enjoy hearing about changes that people have made, little house rules that they have thrown in to their games where skills are involved...
For that matter we moved Willpower to perception which is used for your resistance of mind controls and interrogation...
So what changes have you made? |
I've also reduced spaceship operations skills to two (by scale). Keith, I've instituted all of your changes plus many more so I'll probably start my own thread for mine.
We've discussed this before. In 1E, Perception did three things. It was physical awareness skills, social awareness/interaction/force of personality skills, and the base attribute included the use of willpower in some game mechanical respects. In 2E when Willpower became its own skill, it appeared under Knowledge instead of Perception, even though Perception can still be used to resist Force powers. I think that split is stupid. The very day I first read that, I house ruled the Willpower skill back to Perception, and also allowed Willpower to be used to resist the Force. (If the Force can have a weak-minded, then the Force would logically also have a weak influence on the strong-minded).
Willpower can be learned, but so can Blaster and that's not a Knowledge skill. I honestly think they put Willpower under Knowledge just because Knowledge is a common dump stat for min-maxers and that made Knowledge a little more valuable.
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| jmanski wrote: |
IMHO Willpower can be taught: it's what keeps Navy Seals going on the beach during BUDS. |
Not just seals. But most any fed agent gets trained in resisting interrogations, which is what willpower would get used for.
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Good point.
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