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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 10488 Location: Columbus, Ohio, USA, Earth, The Solar System, The Milky Way Galaxy
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:05 am Post subject: |
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jmanski wrote: | Well, there needed to be a test result to show Ani had force potential... |
Exactly.
Tol-Yun wrote: | One should think that a Jedi Master could feel the potential in a pupil, no? So a biological test should be obsolete anyway. A test of the force would have been an entirely other matter and had stoill kept up the mystic flair we were used to in the Original Trilogy. |
There was no question from any Jedi Master that Anakin had Force potential. The question is whether he is the Chosen One or not. That's what was disputable among the Jedi.
Whill wrote: | A statement like "The Force is strong with this one" is too subjective-sounding. The Jedi Masters could argue that is just one some Jedi's feeling or point-of-view.
Having there be a biological basis that takes the form of hard evidence that is not disputable (a higher midi-chlorian count than even Master Yoda) lends to a more credible consideration that the boy may have been "concieved by the midi-chlorians", which combined with Shmi's assertion that "there was no father" intentionally aludes to a sci-fi version of a miraculous virgin birth, something that many religions and mythologies through-out the ages attribute to some gods and otherwise divine saviors. |
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jmanski Arbiter-General (Moderator)

Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: Kansas
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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First of all- I am NOT defending midichlorines.
Okay- my point is that there needed to be something tangible to show and prove Ani's force potential. Remember episodes 1-3 had to be written for educated and uneducated Star Wars fans alike. _________________ Blasted rules. Why can't they just be perfect? |
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Riij Skootu Lieutenant Commander


Joined: 06 May 2010 Posts: 110 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: Re: What's your Star Wars Universe? |
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Rerun941 wrote: | (Here's mine):
Han shot Greedo first. The softening of Han's character from Ep IV to Ep VI is cheapened if he was merely defending himself. He's supposed to be a hard-boiled smuggler and we get to see him get softened from his contact with the Rebellion and Leia.
Midichlorians. They don't exist. 'nuff said.
The Yuuzhan Vong. Whoever decided that these aliens should belong in the Star Wars universe needs to be tarred and feathered. One of an endless list of alien threats to the New Republic. *yawn*
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I agree with that. I'd add Palpatine never rises beyond senator b/c the jedi discover him as Sith. In my book that is their job. End of story. _________________ Do or Do Not ...there is no try. -Yoda |
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Gregorius Ensign


Joined: 07 Sep 2010 Posts: 28 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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My version of the universe.
Nearly everything from A New Hope, to slightly before the Yuuzhan Vong period, is canon. Only removing a few undesirable things , such as the Yuuzhan Vong themselves. At this point a somewhat "UN-esque" state of affairs comes into being (similar to something mentioned earlier in the thread)the Imperial Remnant under Pellaeon is basically allied with the NR, and while the Sith do try to return, it is more subtle than in the legacy era "official" canon. Midichlorians are a unit of measurement for force sensitivity, rather than the prequel explanation. The Prequels are not canon, and my version of the clone wars has the Old Republic (cobbled together from the info provided from WEG, and various pre-Phantom Menace [in order of creation] sources), is nearly overrun by an army of clones (not quite worked out who is in charge, or why the war happened [not a priority at the moment]).
If anyone has anything they think I missed in this, please let me know |
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 10488 Location: Columbus, Ohio, USA, Earth, The Solar System, The Milky Way Galaxy
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Gregorius wrote: | My version of the universe... If anyone has anything they think I missed in this, please let me know |
Nope, that totally works. Sounds cool.
Gregorius wrote: | Midichlorians are a unit of measurement for force sensitivity, rather than the prequel explanation. |
In the first prequel, Midi-chlorians are a unit of measurement for Force-sensitivity. That was the exact point of them in the plot of TPM. Merely saying "The Force is very strong in this one." is too subjective. But saying that Anakin had a "Midi-chlorian count" of "over 20,000" (and more than anyone ever, even Master Yoda) is a hard, quantitative quality that no one could just dismiss. What Lucas was going for was making it absolutely clear to the Jedi that there was something special about the boy, but exactly what (like whether he was the chosen one or not) was still up for debate among the characters. FYI _________________ *
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Barrataria Commander

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Posts: 295 Location: Republic of California
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: interesting |
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Gregorius wrote: | my version of the clone wars has the Old Republic (cobbled together from the info provided from WEG, and various pre-Phantom Menace [in order of creation] sources), is nearly overrun by an army of clones (not quite worked out who is in charge, or why the war happened [not a priority at the moment]). |
I've been thinking along these same lines.. I know when reading the SW novelization and comic books I assumed that "fighting in the Clone Wars" meant "fighting AGAINST clones in the Clone Wars" I am thinking that the Jedi led planetary self-defense forces (a la the fighting in Ep. 1) and eventually a Grand Army of the Republic organized like Union forces in the Civil War, each unit coming from a different planet (e.g. the 27th Alderaan Division).
I haven't decided who did what to whom in the Ep. 1 frame of events either, and as you say have more pressing things to figure out. In any event I'm trying to sketch the plot of the prequel era in terms of two disparate versions of the story, one for the Whills/New Republic and another for the Empire. Either, or neither, of which may be "true"  _________________ "A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing"- George Lucas |
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Gregorius Ensign


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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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@Whill,
hmmm... I remember Qui-gon saying that Midi-chlorians were symbiotic lifeforms that produce force sensitivity in their hosts (or something to that affect).
@Barrataria,
I agree with you, that was always my interpretation as well, the name "droid wars" would have been more appropriate for the version shown in Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith. |
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 10488 Location: Columbus, Ohio, USA, Earth, The Solar System, The Milky Way Galaxy
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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There were several statements made regarding Midi-chlorians in TPM, but a couple of of them definitely described how Midi-chlorians are a unit of measurement for Force-sensitivity. Anakin was measured to have the greatest count of mid-chlorians of all-time, more than even Yoda. By you stating "...rather than the prequel explanation" that implies that aspect is not a part of the prequel explanation, when that actually is.
I think you mean that in your SW universe, Midi-chlorians are only a unit of measurement for Force-sensitivity, and nothing more. A higher count is a mere by-product of being sensative to the Force, and not any important part of the mystery or power of the Force.
Qui-Gon did also say to Anakin that that they were simbionts living in your cells and "Without Mid-Chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to you, telling you the will of the Force." That's the part of the prequel explaination that you leave out of your universe, right? _________________ *
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Gregorius Ensign


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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Correct on both counts Whill |
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Bobmalooga Commander


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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: |
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For myself its #3. I use the original trilogy as a starting point and have used aspects of the Thrawn trilogy (He survived but lost the Nhogri), Jedi academy (I had my academy on Tatooine in the greatly expanded Lars homestead...) and a fair chunk of the Marvel Comics. I also used aspects of 'Courtship of Princess Leia' and some of the other novels (the night sisters come to mind...) but for the most part all of that was used strictly for background filler when it came to dealing with the aftermath of ROJ.
I didn't use 'Dark Empire 1 or 2', I didn't use 'Darksaber' and I've never made much use of the prequels either as they don't fit my idea of what happened during the time period. As presented, they're a mess! (personal opinion only...) and my idea of how things happened is a little different but since I'm not planning on running the Jedi Purge as a game, my players will never learn the 'truth' of what happened.
Now I have crossed other sci-fi aspects into my SWRPG just because I felt like I could make it work...some things worked out better than others and being the final decision maker (with the credit stopping with me...) I can chose to ignore a really bad idea after I toss it in there and never refer to it again...But to give you a smattering of things I've made work...Aliens, Predators, Terminators, Daleks (with hilarious results...), aspects of Firefly, races from Star Trek (more specifically Vulcans and Klingons...we even had a Klingon Padawan in one game...LMAO), I created an entire planet patterned around 'Tombstone' with an old west feel, Dark Angel (the premise of which works great in a Star Wars game...), Magnum P.I. and a host of other things.
Things that didn't work? Well a lot of things I'd rather not see the light of day again...LMAO.
The Klingon padawan still takes the cake though...
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Tusk BloodFlail Sub-Lieutenant


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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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We operate off of #2 for the most part; however each game then expands into #3. If the characters are in the rebellion era, but are playing as Imperials and defeat the rebellion then we go off of that for those characters. Then when we make new characters we generally reset to the EU. That is, unless everyone wishes to continue in our own #3, but that does not usually happen. It has been pretty fun over the years.
I would like to add that I hate the Vong as well, but I whole heartedly except what they did to the Star Wars universe. Just because something happens that you don't like you just cant erase it, you're losing out on some very fun adventures! Our best adventures occurred because we all hated the Vong and ran a campaign in that era. We managed to save Ithor, but not much else.  _________________ You should not fear your enemies, they should fear you! |
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Bulldogzeta Sub-Lieutenant


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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: What's your Star Wars Universe? |
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Rerun941 wrote: | The subject has come up on another forum I frequent that there is in fact a Star Wars Multiverse out there.
1) The canon universe that George Lucas has created with the films and other comments he made about it.
2) The EU published material. Books, computer games, rpgs, comics, etc. Some of which has been overridden by #1 above.
3) Each fan's version in their own head.
So, what's #3 for you?
(Here's mine):
Han shot Greedo first. The softening of Han's character from Ep IV to Ep VI is cheapened if he was merely defending himself. He's supposed to be a hard-boiled smuggler and we get to see him get softened from his contact with the Rebellion and Leia.
Midichlorians. They don't exist. 'nuff said.
The Yuuzhan Vong. Whoever decided that these aliens should belong in the Star Wars universe needs to be tarred and feathered. One of an endless list of alien threats to the New Republic. *yawn*
To that end, I pretty much disregard any events after the Thrawn Trilogy in my games. Everything is malleable at that point based on what my characters do in the RPG. |
In the early days (first edition RPG and into the 2nd edition for a while) I stayed pretty loyal to #1. I was completely open to the material that WEG published, so I guess that might count as #2. But as time went on I came up with my own ideas, but kept things consistent with #1 as much as possible.
THEN CAME ENDOR...
...and the end of the canon Star Wars universe (at least for a while). Slowly, other books beyond Endor were published, but the quality of the material that could be drawn from them varied widely. Also, I stopped running for a while because our group moved to different areas.
To make a long story short, I did a lot of research for several years before our group moved back to the same city. During that time I decided....
- Han shot first (for the same reasons mentioned above)
- Midichlorians exist; but they're simply a unit of measurement, not symbiotes.
- As far as the EU goes, I'm going to pick and choose and alter to suit my purposes.
The jury is still out on the Yuuzhan Vong. I may decide to use them, but not in the way that they were used in the EU. The only thing I've decided is that I'm simply not going to use the Y-V to decimate the galaxy the way the EU galaxy was. On top of that, I'm not planning on keeping the Lucas characters alive if it doesn't suit my purposes, though I have no real plans to kill any of them off at the moment. The current plan is to keep them alive until we get past Thrawn and Dark Empire. After that, who knows?
There is also the fact that my players characters (all Jedi) are such a force to be reckoned with that their existence changes the dynamics of the Star Wars galaxy greatly. They have even set up their own Jedi academy years before Skywalker sets up his on Yavin 4, but in the southern part of the outer rim; far from Yavin.
One thing is sure; My Star Wars universe is constantly being reshaped. The day is coming where Lucas is unlikely to recognize it. _________________ Never tell me the odds! |
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Kemper Boyd Sub-Lieutenant

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I firmly believe in the concept of the death of the author. That is, after a work is completed the artist himself has no say into how interpret it.
So I piece together what I like of Star Wars until I get something I like.
Prequel trilogy mostly ignored, since it contradicts the OT in so many places. |
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malchya Cadet

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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: |
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When I ran WEG SW back in the early 90's it was set during the Rebellion era, so the (then) non existent prequels and the EU didn't impact my game at all. That was before the dark time, before the Prequels....
I'm setting up a new campaign, my first in some time, for my children (13 & 16 years of age). I'm setting it about half way between episodes III and IV. I like a few aspects of the prequel trilogy, though I found them overall to be heavy handed, poorly written, badly directed, woodenly acted and so stultifyingly overdependent on CGI for impact that they lost any potential character/audience connection. But they are Lucas' backstory for my second favorite Sci Fi universe, so I feel compelled to treat them as "canon"... Sort of.
The Prequels are to the Star Wars Galaxy what "Braveheart" is to British history. The names and events have an authentic ring to them because, for the most part, they have historic parallels. But they are NOT history. They are over dramatized tripe...er, fiction, draped with a vague trapping of fact. William Wallace/Anakin Skywalker existed. The battles named were fought, the rulers ruled and the people suffered; just not at the time or in the way that the movie portrays. |
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Barrataria Commander

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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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malchya wrote: | so I feel compelled to treat them as "canon"... Sort of.
The Prequels are to the Star Wars Galaxy what "Braveheart" is to British history. The names and events have an authentic ring to them because, for the most part, they have historic parallels. But they are NOT history. They are over dramatized tripe...er, fiction, draped with a vague trapping of fact. William Wallace/Anakin Skywalker existed. The battles named were fought, the rulers ruled and the people suffered; just not at the time or in the way that the movie portrays. |
This is kind of the idea I'm playing with, that there's a Jedi version of events ("Journal of the Whills", obv.), a Republic version of events, and an Imperial version of events. The original trilogy are one-sided propaganda films for the New Republic. I'm kind of leaning towards the prequels as the Old Republic version, but with a lot of detail glossed over/left out, or mis-reported. _________________ "A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing"- George Lucas |
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