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Maybe the lekkus encumbrance is the explanation for te lower dex?
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| Random Numbers wrote: | | The average human has more dex than the twi'lek, right? |
Nope average NPCs generally have 2D in all stats unless their racial maximum is less than 2D.
Average human and Twi'lek dancers will have the same attribute dice (twelve dice divided evenly through six stats) so it generally comes down to skill and the like.
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You're talking about a skill, racial stats are meaningless when you stat skills. On top of which You can go above the racial max, though it costs a lot to do so. Unstated skills are at the attribute level. Stated skills are always at least one pip above above their attribute. So you could have a Twi'lek dancer at Dex 3D, but their dancing skill is at 9D. Considering 1 in a billion will have a skill at 9D, that dancer would be pretty good.
Dancing is a skill, not an attribute. And according to the Flamboyant Entertainer character sheet in Heroes and Rogues, it's a Dexterity skill.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | Is perform a dexterity skill? |
Nope Its entertainment (skill) under perception.
| Quote: | | Dancing is a skill, not an attribute. And according to the Flamboyant Entertainer character sheet in Heroes and Rogues, it's a Dexterity skill. |
I wonder what the diff is between that and Entertainment, which also covers singing and other 'performance skill sets.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | Random Numbers wrote: | | The average human has more dex than the twi'lek, right? |
Nope average NPCs generally have 2D in all stats unless their racial maximum is less than 2D.
Average human and Twi'lek dancers will have the same attribute dice (twelve dice divided evenly through six stats) so it generally comes down to skill and the like. |
Don't twi'leks get less attribute dice?
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You're right there they get 11 but given you can spread that penalty over the three 'mental' stats (knowledges, technical and mechanical) an average Twi'lek doesn't need to be any worse at dancing than an average human.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | You're right there they get 11 but given you can spread that penalty over the three 'mental' stats (knowledges, technical and mechanical) an average Twi'lek doesn't need to be any worse at dancing than an average human. |
But in general they are.. 
To get a fair 'average' stat you have to put more dice into stats that have a high maximum and less in those with a low average. Hence Twileks should have perhaps 1D+2 as average Dex and 2D+1 as average Per.
And the fact stands that Twileks cant have the same natural aptitude for dancing as for example humans or gamorreans. 
Reason: The stats of about most things in D6 are poorly thought out and with no internal consitancy.
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | To get a fair 'average' stat you have to put more dice into stats that have a high maximum and less in those with a low average. Hence Twileks should have perhaps 1D+2 as average Dex and 2D+1 as average Per. |
I can't imagine that a slaver would ever say
"Well this slave isn't as graceful as the others but we have to be fair here, lets give them a chance to be a dancer anyway."
I imagine those Twi'leks that are dancers either have lower stats elsewhere or they've got more skill dice in dancing.
Attribues just aren't really that important for NPC background characters unless their racial maximum in something is less than 2D. With the same skill dice they'll be just as skilled (or close enough that it makes no difference) as an NPC human.
One could make an NPC Esoomian that had 7D in strength but you wouldn't because then all other attributes would have to be 1D.
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| garhkal wrote: |
| Quote: | | Dancing is a skill, not an attribute. And according to the Flamboyant Entertainer character sheet in Heroes and Rogues, it's a Dexterity skill. |
I wonder what the diff is between that and Entertainment, which also covers singing and other 'performance skill sets. |
But how dexterous do you have to be to sing, play an instrument, tell jokes or act? Of the various preforming arts, dancing is the most athletic, some forms being more some than others. That doesn't make it a sport, but it does require a little more dexterity than most other preforming arts because you pretty much have to move to dance.
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True, but dancing is aso about playing to an audience.
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| garhkal wrote: | | True, but dancing is aso about playing to an audience. |
Not if you're dancing for a camera or a holo show without a live studio audience.
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| garhkal wrote: | | True, but dancing is aso about playing to an audience. |
Consider that really there's only one preforming art where you have to precieve the audiance and their mood. That's being a comedian and telling jokes. All preforming arts are playing to the audiance, but in most cases you don't pay them much attention and more focus on what you are doing. Acting, you have to precieve what is going on in the play so as to not miss your cues. Singing you precieve the music and your own voice so you can keep the tempo and try not to be flat or worse. Musicals are both acting and singing. Playing an instrument is more of a mechanical skill in most cases, you do need to precieve what you're playing so you can play it correctly. But you operate the instrument your playing (though percussionist (which is more than just playing the drums) may require a bit of dexterity more than other musicians) Dancing requires you to precieve where your partner or the other dancers are, or both, and percieve the music, but the motions require more dexterity than perception.
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I'll give ya that.
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| Esoomian wrote: | | You're right there they get 11 but given you can spread that penalty over the three 'mental' stats (knowledges, technical and mechanical) an average Twi'lek doesn't need to be any worse at dancing than an average human. |
Off course you could spread the stats however you want, but if it's supposed to be an average twi'lek it should be be spread around according to the max/min of the race.
It's also plausible that the twi'leks aren't natural dancers or very dexterous as a race at all. It's just that since you see so much of the twi'lek dancers everywhere I just assumed they were something special. But maybe it's just because the are exotic as a race...
Now they are just sub-human in all stats except perception, where they are marginally better than a human.
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I came up with a compromise. We raise the maximum Dex stat to 4D+1 and give them +1D to dancing. To balance this out we introduce a rule that 1/3 of any head hits that causes a wound or more means instant death, given the fact that part of their brain is in their leccuses...
Good?
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