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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Hellcat!

To answer your question ZzaphodD: Range: 3-20/60/210
So it's got slightly better range and damage than a standard blaster pistol. For the most part, the modifications for the weapon are going to be fitting the grip and hand guard to be able to fit his large hands.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raven Redstar wrote:
Thanks Hellcat!

To answer your question ZzaphodD: Range: 3-20/60/210
So it's got slightly better range and damage than a standard blaster pistol. For the most part, the modifications for the weapon are going to be fitting the grip and hand guard to be able to fit his large hands.



Why the increased range?

Used one handed I think the range would be marginally better (if any) than a blaster pistol. The limitation is really the way you use the gun (one handed, compared to braced to the shoulder), not how far the blaster bolt reaches.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZzaphodD wrote:
Used one handed I think the range would be marginally better (if any) than a blaster pistol. The limitation is really the way you use the gun (one handed, compared to braced to the shoulder), not how far the blaster bolt reaches.

That seems odd. I would think firing 1-handed might effect accuracy, but won't range be a function of bolt power and stability. Otherwise, why do holdouts, blaster pistols, and heavy blasters have very different ranges as they are all held the same way?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would someone holding a weapon 1 handed decrease the basic range for the weapon itself? Like Bren said, it won't effect how far the blaster bolt travels, the only thing that was begged into question would be whether or not someone of that size with that high a strength can wield it as a pistol.

I'm reminded of Episode 4 when Han Solo 1 hands a Stormtrooper 1 blaster rifle. If he can do it, why can't someone with twice his strength do it for a smaller weapon?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try firing a real world pistol and rifle standing one handed, standing two handed, and in a prone position two handed. Their range do not change, but accuracy can change, especially if firing one handed. It's easier to be accurate with a pistol one handed than a rifle, but accuracy still improves when holding it with two hands.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For someone who is normal human size. Correct?

The thing is, in star wars, even the famous E-11 "Blaster rifle" isn't actually rifle sized, it's supposedly based on the Sterling Submachine gun which is more than a tad smaller than most real world rifles.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup.. it was based on the Sten. BUT that is cause at the time lucas wanted a ww2 era weapon that was not a common sight in films...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is that range shouldn't drop just because something is held one handed, but accuracy may drop. Smaller weapons are easier to hold one handed and maintain more accuracy with. As they get larger their accuracy drops when held one handed. But the range remains the same. You have to do something to the working mechanisms or the barrel to cause the range to drop. A sawed-off shotgun trades the effective range of a shotgun for manuverability and concealment.

If you want to show lowered accuracy by turning the rifle or carbine into a single-handed weapon, add a modifier to the difficulty of firing the weapon one handed.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bren wrote:
ZzaphodD wrote:
Used one handed I think the range would be marginally better (if any) than a blaster pistol. The limitation is really the way you use the gun (one handed, compared to braced to the shoulder), not how far the blaster bolt reaches.

That seems odd. I would think firing 1-handed might effect accuracy, but won't range be a function of bolt power and stability. Otherwise, why do holdouts, blaster pistols, and heavy blasters have very different ranges as they are all held the same way?


If you look at ranges its obvious its effective range that is in the stats, not how far the bolt travels. Heavy Blasters are a game balance issue mostly, however I guess the limitation is in accuracy too.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hellcat wrote:
The point is that range shouldn't drop just because something is held one handed, but accuracy may drop.


Which i represented in effective range. Firing a weapon in 'pistol mode' affects the effective range due to inaccuracy.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hellcat wrote:
Try firing a real world pistol and rifle standing one handed, standing two handed, and in a prone position two handed. Their range do not change, but accuracy can change, especially if firing one handed. It's easier to be accurate with a pistol one handed than a rifle, but accuracy still improves when holding it with two hands.


Your mixing up ballistics with effective range represented in a game system.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just drop it to pistol range: 3-10/20/120....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The range wouldn't drop if you used the weapon one handed, the accuracy would. In my opinion the best way to handle this is to add in another range difficulty modifier or two.

Range: 3-10/20/60/100/210

3-10 easy
10-20 moderate
20-60 difficult
60-100 very difficult
100-210 heroic

Or something like that.

The longer the distance the more you need to keep the weapon steady and control your breathing. At ten yards or so breathing becomes a noticeable factor in controlling a pistol's accuracy; not as important as trigger pull or sight alignment, but a noticeable one. The greater the distance the harder all of this becomes. Shouldering your rifle gives you three points of contact with it, increasing stability which in turn increases accuracy; a pistol shooter can't shoulder their weapon. Bad breathing, jerking the trigger, poor stability, slightly askew sight alignment, any of these things can drastically change in the angle of your weapon. At 3 yards a 1 degree difference is less then an inch off target which means effectively nothing but at 100 yards a 1 degree difference is a little over a yard off target.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, if you're looking for simplicity, just raise the difficulty by one for all shots when someone is trying to fire a two-handed weapon one-handed.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the range would drop. Sure, the bolt will still fly 250m or whatever, but you can't aim it one handed and hit something at that range. Range is not the distance the ammunition travels, but the ability to hit with the weapon.
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