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Raven Redstar
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| Interesting. Save yourself here, but put yourself at a disadvantage. Might be something to keep in mind. |
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atgxtg
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| Raven Redstar wrote: | | Interesting. Save yourself here, but put yourself at a disadvantage. Might be something to keep in mind. |
It stemmed from the following ideas:
1) Some RPGs use a more dynamic swordplay system. Rather than trying for fancy maneuver (with a penalty that tends to discourage using them), they have characters roll first and pick a maneuver after the roll. As a result, fancy swordplay happens since it is a "freebie" and doesn't have any penalties.
In SW that could lead to serious hits in LS duels only on a very good attack vs/ parry roll, with lesser results meaning non-striking advantages.
2) With mishaps "by the book" what happens is that the GM decides to apply a mishap or take off the two dice (the wild die and the highest). That is basically deciding between a mishap or about a 6-7 point penalty.
So I just combined 1 with 2 to get the "reverse mishap" idea.
I'm thinking that this might work out for multiple parries too. My idea is that since we already know what the parry roll is, the defender opts to do this after the attack roll, and it only applies to one attack. That way a character could get beaten about fairly severely by taking a more severe mishap to keep parrying when he is overmatched, until he eventually is lying helpless on the ground.
At least that is the theory. |
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Whill
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ZzaphodD
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| Whill wrote: | Some of you may find these variant D6 sword-fighting rules useful. This was created by Peter Schweighofer, WEG Star Wars RPG author extraordinaire. I haven't personally tried them yet, but they look easy. If anyone uses them, please let us know how it goes!
http://www.astro.uu.nl/~krijger/BI/FB/Blades.pdf |
Actully Im looking at this system and are trying to merge it with the Lightsaber styles maneuvers. |
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atgxtg
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Whill wrote: | Some of you may find these variant D6 sword-fighting rules useful. This was created by Peter Schweighofer, WEG Star Wars RPG author extraordinaire. I haven't personally tried them yet, but they look easy. If anyone uses them, please let us know how it goes!
http://www.astro.uu.nl/~krijger/BI/FB/Blades.pdf |
I've used them. The big problem we had with them in play was that performing a trick was more difficult that simply wounding an opponent, so no one bothered to do so. In most situation the PCs would rather hit the opponent and end the fighting then try a trick, and still be a risk next turn, or have other characters suffer while they are playing around. |
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ZzaphodD
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| atgxtg wrote: | | Whill wrote: | Some of you may find these variant D6 sword-fighting rules useful. This was created by Peter Schweighofer, WEG Star Wars RPG author extraordinaire. I haven't personally tried them yet, but they look easy. If anyone uses them, please let us know how it goes!
http://www.astro.uu.nl/~krijger/BI/FB/Blades.pdf |
I've used them. The big problem we had with them in play was that performing a trick was more difficult that simply wounding an opponent, so no one bothered to do so. In most situation the PCs would rather hit the opponent and end the fighting then try a trick, and still be a risk next turn, or have other characters suffer while they are playing around. |
Thats why Im incorporating different maneuvers/techniques into the mix. They wont make things more difficult, but will trade advantages vs drawbacks. Also there will be some kind of 'meta game' involved in the sense that if Player 1 makes Maneuver A (For example 'Leaping Charnge', he will get one result if the Opponent takes maneuver B (example 'Stoic Defence') and another if he choses C ('Riposte'). |
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atgxtg
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| ZzaphodD wrote: |
Thats why Im incorporating different maneuvers/techniques into the mix. They wont make things more difficult, but will trade advantages vs drawbacks. Also there will be some kind of 'meta game' involved in the sense that if Player 1 makes Maneuver A (For example 'Leaping Charnge', he will get one result if the Opponent takes maneuver B (example 'Stoic Defence') and another if he choses C ('Riposte'). |
You have the same problem. Players are not going to try to do a cool maneuver if they can just hit and do considerable damage instead.
To make maneuvers appealing you either need to makes them easier than a simple attack, or make them better than a simple attack in some way.
For example, using the "dueling Blades" idea, make a normal hit an hit without extra damage, and lower a trick to the same difficulty. A full damage hit (+Control) is now as hard to pull off as the old Trick.
Now characters can choose between a weak hit or a trick that might feedd into a better hit next turn. Assuming that the tricks have some game benifits. |
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ZzaphodD
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| atgxtg wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: |
Thats why Im incorporating different maneuvers/techniques into the mix. They wont make things more difficult, but will trade advantages vs drawbacks. Also there will be some kind of 'meta game' involved in the sense that if Player 1 makes Maneuver A (For example 'Leaping Charnge', he will get one result if the Opponent takes maneuver B (example 'Stoic Defence') and another if he choses C ('Riposte'). |
You have the same problem. Players are not going to try to do a cool maneuver if they can just hit and do considerable damage instead.
To make maneuvers appealing you either need to makes them easier than a simple attack, or make them better than a simple attack in some way.
For example, using the "dueling Blades" idea, make a normal hit an hit without extra damage, and lower a trick to the same difficulty. A full damage hit (+Control) is now as hard to pull off as the old Trick.
Now characters can choose between a weak hit or a trick that might feedd into a better hit next turn. Assuming that the tricks have some game benifits. |
Or make the 'just hit' option worse by making it easier to defend against..
But I know my players. If I put maneuvers on the table that are not 'worse' than 'just striking' they will use them even if they do not involve a super bonus..
Regarding duelling blades, yes Im looking into incorporating those rules with techniques.. |
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