Force point with multiple actions..

[worfbacca]

When using a force point with multiple actions do you subtract for multiple actions first or do you double it then subtract? Any quoted West End Games sources would help.
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[john brewer]

To quote: "A player may spend one Force Point in a round; all skills, attributes and special ability die codes are doubled for the rest of that round" (R&E, p. 84).

Sounds to me like you double the score. Then subtract for actions. At least that's how I read it.

John

[Volar the Healer]

I agree. Double, then subtract.
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[Ray]

My group has always done the Double-Then Subtract. And we've doubled the amount of allowed actions as well (This started out as a cemamatic thing for Crunch, and became a house rule.).

Gets really insane when Oota uses one for his... 7D or 8D (I forget which) of Blaster skill. Which makes for 8 Actions at a 12D or 14D.

Then goes "John Woo" Blasters Akimbo style, gets two shots per action at -1D to the Primary Hand and -2D for the Off Hand. 8 Shots at 11D or 13D and 8 Shots at 10D or 12D.

With T-6 Thunderer Heavy Blaster Pistols. "The Most Powerful Hand Blasters In The Galaxy".

Before you ask, no, he isn't a Munchkin, just a really, really, *REALLY* experienced PC with a love of carnage. Oldest PC in the group, and the second one made by his Player (The first character sheet had been lost by the GM after one game.).

[cheshire]

I think we had this discussion a little while ago (or maybe it was on another board), but the R&E states that you apply all die penalties after you doubble.

[Rerun941]

[Crell Damar]

Really? My group used to do subtract die penalties, then double. I'm not sure why. But I guess it just seemed ok to me at the time. Although subtracting afterwards makes for much more potent use of the force, with possibilities for some very amazing stuff to happen.

I may try it that way. And we'll see which works better for the group.
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[Ray]

Crunch killed and wounded alot of Veteran Stormies under Force Point abilities.

With his bare hands. In his rage, he kinda forgot that he had his force pike on him.

[Esoomian]

We've always done double then subtract however any bonus for equipment (fire control on ship guns or scopes on blasters) are not doubled and come in after subtractions.

Yeah I woked out that my Esoomian character (10D brawl 7D strength) has a dice pool of 20D when spending a force point and does 14D damage.

Fortunately it's never come up as something I've needed

[Trask]

Agreed. You don't double penalties for multiple actions, you don't double penalties for armour or wounds or the like, but likewise you don't double bonuses, be they for fire control, maneuverability or damage (a STR+2D vibroknife remains STR+2D, just STR is now doubled)

[garhkal]

I have only been under one gm who did it differently, but the others (as well as me) double the skill THEN take off for MAPS and wounds.

That other Gm did it strange.. Start out with doubling the base skill, then after the SECOND action start to apply MAPS, at the following rate..
Frst action = full
Second action = full
third action = -2d
Forth action = -2d
Fifth action = -3d
Sixth action = -3d
Seventh action and so on....
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