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Matthias777
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| vong wrote: | I thought of an idea on the bus.
You could have it so that it only adds 4D or the Jedi's concentration, which ever is lower... So the power will not be as strong with beginner jedi, but will be fully effective in a jedi who has realized his potential (or at least part of it) |
You mean his Control?
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Esoomian
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Matthias777 wrote: | | vong wrote: | I thought of an idea on the bus.
You could have it so that it only adds 4D or the Jedi's concentration, which ever is lower... So the power will not be as strong with beginner jedi, but will be fully effective in a jedi who has realized his potential (or at least part of it) |
You mean his Control? |
Or perhaps sense?
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vong
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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heh, yea, meant contreol 
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| Esoomian wrote: | | I agree that this should be possible but I don't think concentration is the force power that would allow this. It seems to uhhh low level to grant such access to unknown skills. |
Very true. I can see concentration helping out more for stuff you already know and therefore can concentrate on what you are doing, not stuff you don't know.
| Quote: | | Maybe only grant a max +2D bonus for skills that the character has not raised above the attribute instead of +4D? |
That is a good compromise.
but is that 2d before MAPs kick in or after?
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Esoomian
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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I assumed before MAPs as it's 4D before MAPs in normal situations.
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Matthias777
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's just limiting the bonus without taking into effect the -1D MAP from using Concentration and whatever skill the character is boosting.
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A limit makes sense to me, but only on advanced skills the character doesn't have (rather than all skills).
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Esoomian
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I'd assume you couldn't use concentration to boost advanced skills you don't have at all.
I'd imagine players would be be somewhat upset if their character (a non jedi) had painstakingly gotten themselves 3D in medicine (and the prerequisite 5D in first aid) and a Jedi with 2D technical and no technical skills at all waltzed in and used concentration and two character points to end up with a medicine score of 5D for a round. Imagine that Jedi was a verpine and had an effective medicine score of 7D.
I would limit concentration to being used only on skills that you already have the prerequisites for at the very least.
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Matthias777
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Eso, I think he was just referring to skills that the character has advanced, not (A) advanced skills.
| Neo-Paladin wrote: | | A limit makes sense to me, but only on advanced skills the character doesn't have (rather than all skills). |
There is a limit regardless...it's +4D normally. I'm merely suggesting a lower limit for skills that the character has not advanced above the base attribute.
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| Neo-Paladin wrote: | | A limit makes sense to me, but only on advanced skills the character doesn't have (rather than all skills). |
I thought this suggested he was talking about (A) Advanced skills
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| noctum_carpe wrote: | | from what i read you can only use concentration on actions taking one round, since it cant be keept up. |
Guys, you all seem to forgo an important point here, like Noctum_Carpe said: Concentration should be used for only One round actions! no concentration roll should be allowed for time-taking repairs. So discution about Jedi Tech surpassing every other non-force using tech is useless. |
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I've found the best way to prevent this from being used to often is to just say: 'No.'
Example 1:
"I'm going to draw my blaster, use concentrate, and shoot him."
"No."
"Why?"
"That's hardly concentrating. A quickdraw is not even close to giving you time to concentrate."
Assess the situation, ask yourself: "Does this merit concentration? Do you really have time to focus?"
If you answer no to your own questions, chances are the player can't use concentrate. The Canyon Run is a prime example, Luke had time to aim the shot... it wasn't some "pull the target out of my @$$" roll.
Example 2:
"I'll bark at them to shut the droid up and then I'll do my damnedest to get that jump course plotted. If Bantha Bob can hold off those TIEs I should have enough time."
"Okay, nice work, why not use concentrate?"
"Can I?"
"Sure."
Consider the manner in which the player describes the scenerio... in the above the guy sounds concerned... desperate even to get him and his friends out of trouble. It's good RPing... concentration seems acceptable.
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vong
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I like your description of that. I might even use that in my games 
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Revenant
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Glad to hear it. Always happy to help.
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Esoomian
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Revenant wrote: | I've found the best way to prevent this from being used to often is to just say: 'No.'
Example 1:
"I'm going to draw my blaster, use concentrate, and shoot him."
"No."
"Why?"
"That's hardly concentrating. A quickdraw is not even close to giving you time to concentrate."
Assess the situation, ask yourself: "Does this merit concentration? Do you really have time to focus?"
If you answer no to your own questions, chances are the player can't use concentrate. The Canyon Run is a prime example, Luke had time to aim the shot... it wasn't some "pull the target out of my @$$" roll.
Example 2:
"I'll bark at them to shut the droid up and then I'll do my damnedest to get that jump course plotted. If Bantha Bob can hold off those TIEs I should have enough time."
"Okay, nice work, why not use concentrate?"
"Can I?"
"Sure."
Consider the manner in which the player describes the scenerio... in the above the guy sounds concerned... desperate even to get him and his friends out of trouble. It's good RPing... concentration seems acceptable. |
It would stop people using concentrate for lightsaber combat which I always thought was a little bit too much.
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