A Comment on a D6 Criticism that I have heard...

[Wookie rage]

Here's another thought, what if a character wants to be skilled in just one power of the force? Like Corran Horn with affect mind? Or weak like his TK. I've seen what I thought to be house rules where you can increase powers like regular skills and skills like attributes but, I don't know how official that is.
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wookies+lightsabers=bad day

"Let's just say we'd like to avoid any Imperial entanglements." ~Obi Wan Kenobi

[Crell Damar]

How about the fact that you use your str modifier in D20 starwars to swing a lightsaber, one of the most elegant weapons in the known universe, unless you take a feat... a damn feat... but on top of that... when you use your str modifier to hit, you don't get any bonus to damage, outside of the bonuses you get for going up in level in a "jedi class"

In the movies, nobody trains themselves in the force much, except for Luke, after his masters die. But by that time, he's a knight himself, and that's when you enter the stage of learning for yourself... Limiting yourself to a class ends up being way too structured for a free roaming game. Having to wait til you reach that 3000 exp or whatever before you get a +1 onto base attack, instead of waiting til the end of the game to raise your blaster seems really stupid. D20 just doesn't work for starwars... and if you want to raise up force skills on their own, have someone learn Tal Rie (spelling Rathe?) which you learn every skill for.
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"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times... before the Empire. "

Obi-Wan Kenobi

[Rathe Ehtar]

Ta Ree, my brother.
Ta Ree spells focus on one power rather than raising force skills.

Seriously, like I said before, I'm not going to wait til I'm tenth LEVEL to do something a character starting out can do. I don't like the idea of being bound to a CLASS. What's up with rogues and scountrals? It make sense to limit warriors skills to show what areas they focus on, but should a soldier in the FREAK'en space age be limited? No. But they are in d20.
Now, training as a jedi by your self is not imposible. If you watch the latest movies and listen close to the old ones, you will see that most jedi have and do train with masters before moving on to solo stuff. D20 has too many force user PRESTIGE classes. I've seen some that are just an angry dude with a lightsaber, yeah, like that's hard to achieve.

Really though, this is a site dedicated to WEG Star Wars and I think enough has been said about d20. (blasphemy)

Also, bench press is covered by lifting, not just strength.
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"I don't know about angels, but it's fear that gives men wings." -Max Payne

"I don't buy that cluck like a dog, bark like a chicken stuff." -Col. Jack O'Neill

[Ragnar]

Word...I think Rathe is right, enough has been said on this topic. If you don't like WEG then go play the blasphemis D20 WOTC, but keep it off the forums.

[Hellstorm]

As I said before, I play D20 and I use anything I can from D6, and I'm sure anyone playing D6 can use anything they find usefull from D20

(I think i just located a store that still has WEG books in Montreal, so I'll check it out) 8)
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-The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

Peter Griffin: "Embrace The Fear." -Family Guy

[Son of Fire]

I do nab a few things from D20 on occasion, mainly converted equipment and such.

But I still can't play that system...it's too limiting.
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"My schooling not only failed to teach me what it professed to be teaching, but prevented me from being educated to an extent which infuriates me when I think of all I might have learned at home by myself." - George Bernard Shaw

[Hellstorm]

The only thing that should limit your play should be your imagination (or maybe your GM's lack of it) if you don't like something about a system, change it. 8)
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Tuco: "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco."
-The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

Peter Griffin: "Embrace The Fear." -Family Guy

[Hellstorm]

[Son of Fire]

Well it would be more than a bit awkward to change the entire system.
I just don’t think a level/class based system suits Star Wars. Don’t get me wrong though; I really do like D20…for D&D or D20 Modern, but for Star Wars…no way. Games, and their respective systems tend to have a “feel” about them, and with D20 I do not "feel" Star Wars. Perhaps its because I started with the D6 system, or perhaps it has more to do with something more esoteric… in the end, its just a matter of taste.

But creating homebrew stuff is spice of gaming…that’s when true creativity takes off.
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"My schooling not only failed to teach me what it professed to be teaching, but prevented me from being educated to an extent which infuriates me when I think of all I might have learned at home by myself." - George Bernard Shaw

[Volar the Healer]

[Hellstorm]

What can you do in D6 that you can't do in D20 ? 8)
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Tuco: "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco."
-The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

Peter Griffin: "Embrace The Fear." -Family Guy

[Jedi Knight Jael Weiss]

... and things get really hot and heavy here!

Hey everyone,

To be truthful, I have not had the chance to even really check out the d20 system, so I don't know a whole lot about it.

I guess in my case, it is a matter of stubborness is why I haven't checked it out yet, nor will I most likely look at it. I guess when I am so used to a system that simply works it makes me reluctant to try something new. For instance (and I know this is totally unrelated to Star Wars), I have found that I enjoy the CRPG Icewind Dale a lot more than I do Icewind Dale II. Why? Because I grew up with 1st (and to an extent, 2nd) edition D & D, and I am much more used to those rules than I am with 3rd edition. Although Dale II seems like a good game, and arguably better than the first, it is so difficult to get used to the system that I still haven't finished it.

The other reason why I don't get into the d20 Star Wars is simply, because I am not going to spend any additional money when I already have 70%+ of the stuff that WEG released for the d6. In other words, practicality has something to do with it (is "practicality" a word???).

Ah, well, if I was only this stubborn when I was going out with "her," I would have saved myself a lot of trouble...

Good to be back, even if it is for a little bit.
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"Of the making of books there is no end, and much study wearies the body..."- Solomon

[Vartax]

Two things. One is that before I let people play certain characters, I make them read parts from the books to let them know what they are getting into... Such as the Jedi Code, or the Bounty Hunters creed. I never let noobs play Jedi, because they are so powerful. A side note is that even with the Old Republic there weren't millons of Jedi, a small percentage of people are force sensitive, let alone can use the force. Depending on when the campaign is set certain penalties could be set. Such as being hunted in the time leading up to episode 4, or only being able to recieve good training is at the Jedi Academy after episode 6. Even Jedi in the Old republic had to live by standards.

[Hellstorm]

Is there something that can be done in D6 that can't be done in D20? 8)
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-The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

Peter Griffin: "Embrace The Fear." -Family Guy

[Ragnar]

It's not that you can't do certain things it's that it is over complicated in D20. and you have to be high lvl in D20 to do things that you could do as a starting level character. D20 is way overly complex and less cinematic in my opinion.