Firearms Ranges

[Matthias777]

Anyone knowledgeable enough about firearms to help with some (accurately depicted) ranging stats for real-life "slugthrowers" in the game? Half my players in the game I'm running are using slugthrowers, and the ones in the rulebook just aren't going to cut it. I've got damages worked out for several calibers, I just need ranges to go with them (based on average barrel lengths; obviously drastically longer or shorter barrels affect the range some).
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Arek | Kage

[masque]

I don't know enough about guns off the top of my head, but you could search for several types of guns on Wikipedia to find out. For instance, the M1911 Colt 45 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_Colt_pistol) and the M1 Garand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand_rifle) both have all kinds of stats, including ranges, on the sidebars of their wiki pages. Those being some of the finest weapons ever constructed, in my opinion, I'd start there.
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[Matthias777]

Yeah, I've pretty much exhausted the resources of Wikipedia. They list effective ranges for several weapons, but that only makes up about 1/3 of the cartridges that I figured would be in use in the Star Wars galaxy. Thanks though.
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[garhkal]

Here is what i have for effective use of firearms..

Small pistols: 15/30/50
Heavy pistols: 3-20/40/70
Normal hunting rifles (302): 5-100/200/300
Shotgun: 5/15/25 with a blast cone of 1/2/4
SMG: 3-25/50/80
Assault rifle: 10-80/160/250
Light machine guns (SAW): 10-100/200/400
Medium machine guns: 10-150/300/450
Heavy machine guns: 10-150/300/500
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[vong]

[Eiren]

I'm not sure about that supplement, some of the damages listed seems a bit off. I'm no rocket scientist when it comes to firearms, but I know enough to be able to see that.

Unfortunately however, I don't have anything else to provide the OP that's useful but I'll see if I can dig something up.
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[Eiren]

Well I've spent some time looking through some old books and checking out a variety of firearms specs websites and I actually find quite a bit of conflicting data.

For example: Website A lists the max effective range of a .45 automatic pistol as 50m and website B lists the same pistol at 100m.

I have a few friends of mine who are ex-military and quite knowledgable about various firearms from around the world though as well as knowledgable about D6 Star Wars (they were in our old SW gaming group). When I get time I'm gonna start compiling data with them as well as from the resources I have at home and the websites I've been browsing to put together a basic firearms guide for the Star Wars galaxy similar to the one Vong posted.

If anyone is interested, I'll post here when I'm done with it and I can email it to anyone who wants it.
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[noctum_carpe]

Do so, i always thought the firearms damage was really off.
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[garhkal]

Here is what i have for the damages of firearms.

Small/medium pistols (eg .38 snubnose) 3d+2
Heavy pistol (eg 44 magnum) 4d
Rifles (eg .303) 4d+1
Shotguns - scatter shot 5d+2/4d+1/3d with a blast range of 5/15/25 and a blast cone of 1/2/4
- solid slug inc to 6d/5d/4d with range of 15/25/35
If double barrel add 1d

SMG - 4d base, add 1d for burst fire
Assault rifle (eg m-16) 5d+1
Light machine gun 5d+1
Medium machine gum 5d+2
Heavy 6d
ARs and LMGs add 1d for burst fire, medium adds 1d+1 for burst fire and HMGs add 1d+2 for burst fire.
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[Liam (Gunman) Kissane]

[Eiren]

[Liam (Gunman) Kissane]

No offence taken.
I've been shot down a heck of a lot more just for putting the thing together in the first place (but darn it - I just wanted to have a cool character that uses firearms).

Eiren - I'm happy to work with you in working on a firearms guide.

[Eiren]

[Matthias777]

Thanks for all the posts on this, guys. Sorry I haven't responded lately, I was out of the state for a weekend and then out of the country for a week immediately after that.

I had in fact read the aforementioned PDF, but found that I didn't agree with a lot of it (no offense!). But then, I don't think I've agreed with a single thing WEG put into print about slugthrowers, so the PDF was definitely a step up from that.

Anything you guys come up with I would really like to be involved in; I've come up with a lot of stuff on my own (caliber damages, modifiers for different types of ammo, as well as a whole separate workup for shotguns). Basically I tried to stick to the most popular calibers for coming up with damages, and you really can't get overly technical with a system measured in pips with three to a "D". The "range" issue is where things get really nebulous, simply because of the nature of the projectiles and physics.

If anyone wants to see the (admittedly rough) stuff that I've worked up, let me know. The main reason I started trying to figure all this out is that I just started a PbP campaign and two of my five PCs are using slugthrowers (a Dresselian and a Tough Native template). Looking over the WEG slugthrower material, I realized I didn't agree with any of it. So it began.
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[Liam (Gunman) Kissane]

No offence taken Matthias,

I have PM-ed you my edress. I would like to see what you have to contribute.