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Robot Ron Ensign
Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 38 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:11 pm Post subject: Critical hits? |
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Am I correct in assuming that there are no official rules pertaining to critical hits or excessive success in combat? Do any of you have any sort of house rules you play with? I'm wondering, because last session one of my players got something like a 46 when he only needed about 15 to hit, and we figured it should have done more than 4D of damage. I think I let him roll a few extra damage dice, but I don't remember that clearly. Anyways, how do you think that attack rolls should affect damage? _________________ HELLO!!! IT IS ROBOT RON! YOU KNOW WHO I AM THO ALREDY I DID TALK TO YOU BEFORE . I DO REMEBER. IT WAS ABOT DINASORE EGGS AND YOU SAID YOU HAD THEM FOR BREKFAST ONCE.
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Crell Damar Line Captain
Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 845
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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when you successfully hit someone, you do the weapon's damage
if he rolled 42, he really creamed the guy's attempt to avoid the attack, but when it comes down to it, can he really do any damage?
it's not likely that you'll be able to kill a barbel with a hold-out blaster, that's the way the system works. Hit only determines whether or not your attack is sucessful |
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Son of Fire Captain
Joined: 03 Sep 2003 Posts: 554 Location: Rose City Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:42 am Post subject: |
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For some reason I can’t picture Star Wars with critical charts.
Perhaps its because I don’t really see it as “graphic”. _________________ "My schooling not only failed to teach me what it professed to be teaching, but prevented me from being educated to an extent which infuriates me when I think of all I might have learned at home by myself." - George Bernard Shaw |
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Loc Taal Grand Master (Founder / Admin Emeritus)
Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Posts: 801
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:16 am Post subject: |
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On page 63 of the Star Wars Roleplaying Game (Second Edition) book, it says "If gamemasters wish, they may increase or decrease the damage of an attack depending upon where the character is hit. Torso hits subtract one die from damage total, head hits add one die, and limb attacks are treated normally". You could use a variation of that rule to say that if a character beats a dodge/parry roll by a certain number (maybe 10 or 15 points?) they automatically hit their opponent in the head, doing +1D damage... _________________ "Mind what you have learned. Save you it can." --Yoda
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Crell Damar Line Captain
Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 845
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:31 am Post subject: |
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yeah, i usually give a damage bonus if the character decides to shoot someone in the eye...
it's all GM's discretion
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Volar the Healer Jedi
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 664 Location: Arizona, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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A hit is a hit. A miss is a miss.
I look for critical hits in the damage roll. If the attacker scores really high while the defender rolls really low, then I give a graphic description. I also sometimes change kills to maims...so the character can continue. But, he might continue with the need for a cybernetic eye or cloned hand.
This allows a popular character (one the rest of the group likes) to continue, but adds something cool to the character's story. If a character is unpopular with the group, I allow the player a chance to write up one more supportive of the group. _________________ Know Jesus, Know Peace.
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14173 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Well, one thing you can do, to simulate critical hits, is use the Dice pooling method from Rules of Engagement. There are a few ways to do this.
1) Straight up dice switching. Taking off 1 or more die from your too hit pool to add into the damage.
Eg you have 8d+2 in firearms, and you know you are going to easily hit that sentery as he is oblivious to your presence. BUT you know you must drop him in that one shot, so you take 3d off your to hit pool, to add to the damage (offsetting some of his armor).
2) Differential die pooling. Where say, for every +3-5 you add into the to hit difficulty, you add 1D to damage.
The above are just two ways.
Then you have called shots. Like bypassing the enemies armor. While this is harder, as it adds a good chunk to the diff (2d base, plus going for something small might add a further 4d). If you do hit, the damage goes around his armor. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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KageRyu Commodore
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1391 Location: Lost in the cracks
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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I just recently started testing my own critical hit's system which is so very easy to use, with limitted math involved. I am handling it like so:
• Attack Roll > 2 x Difficulty = +1D damage to represent a well placed hit.
• Attack Roll > 3 x Difficulty = +2D damage for an exceptional hit.
• Attack Roll > 4 x Difficulty = +3D damage for a superb hit.
Etc...
It is rare that anyone will ever get more than the +1D, unless at point black and with a very high skill. The Difficulty is the final, modified difficulty, after all modifiers for cover, movement, and dodging are added. The bonus are not cummulative. Just thought I'd share.
This system is a mirror of the 1st edition wound to damage comparison, which for me, makes it particularly easy to remember. _________________ "There's a set way to gain new Force Points and it represents a very nice system, where you're rewarded for heroism, not for being a poor conductor to electricity." ~Jachra |
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Gry Sarth Jedi
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 5304 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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We use a very empiric system, if you roll absurdly high, something higher than heroic when it was a moderate shot, we add +1D to the damage. We really don't know how much higher you have to roll. It simply that gut feeling when the guy rolls his dice and the entire table says "WOW", that's a +1D.
And I always try to give some description to injuries, be them stuns or killed shots, though it's more fun to describe how you completely blew off the guy's head, vaporizing it into a reddish dust cloud, and the rest of his body falls limp on the ground, bleeding on the sand. |
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Boomer Captain
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Terra Sol
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: |
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I prefer the die-pool/increased difficulty for called shots. For just a standard hit and damage, rolling really well on the hit I do not modify damage. I also don't take away damage for barely hitting.
To increase damage in that fashion, you need to roll super well on the damage roll. That's my ruling. _________________ My backpack has jets!
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gollummen Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 159 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: |
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We were thinking about using the following rule:
"For every 10 points the attack exceeds the defence the damage is increased by +1D"
Any thoughts? |
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entropy Lieutenant
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 81 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: 10 points per die |
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Quote: | "For every 10 points the attack exceeds the defence the damage is increased by +1D"
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I used that rule in one of my campaigns. One thing you have to watch is when you're dealing with scale differences (Dice pooling has the same problem). Scales make it easier to hit something bigger, the tradeoff is supposed to be a reduced ability to damage it. When you give bonuses for hitting better, you might offset this unintentionally.
I don't care how high your melee combat is, you shouldn't be able to take down a walker with a knife. |
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gollummen Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 159 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice entropy. I had not thought of that.
I tink this rule will only apply when you are hitting targets at the same scale. |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14173 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:09 am Post subject: |
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How about make it a called shot benefit. For each +5 you wish to take on the to hit difficulty, you can add 1d to damage, but you decide ahead of the shot how many dice bonus you are trying for. If you fail, you missed.
EG harcxixa has 9d in blaster, and is shooting an unaware Zero G trooper. Knowing that the armor is thick, he knows he needs a high damage roll to drop the trooper. Being he is at medium range (moderate diff) and the trooper cannot dodge (he has not been seen) he chooses to try for a +4d bonus to his damage (+20 to the to hit roll, +5 base for making a called shot). His total is now 20+5+moderate (11-15, which the gm set at 14) for a total of 39. Harcxixa rolls a 36 and misses. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Error Captain
Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 680 Location: Any blackberry patch.
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Is ther an official "called shot" rule? _________________ The only words of explanation you need for any concept in the entire Star Wars universe are the words Science Fiction and Space Opera. |
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