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masque
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And if the dude with the armor isn't Force sensitive, DSPs are a non-issue anyway, particularly for something as indirect as that.
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Xynar
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| OtterJethro wrote: | | Another example of such formula would be "Luke skywalker learns to use force and become a jedi(something A), Darth Vader then decides he must convince Luke To join him or kill him. He thinks "I will freeze him in carbonite but must know if someone would survive, hence I will test it on Han Solo"(option D). Had Han Solo died(person W), you would have awarded Luke a dark side point? |
Since you keep forgetting the "willfully" part, let me re-explain with your example, modified.
Luke becomes a Jedi. Vader threatens to freeze Han, which could kill him. Luke does nothing. Dark Side Point.
In your example, Luke does not know what is happening. Therefore it is completely out of his hands/control and would not gain a DSP. In my example, Luke blew Vader's threat off and Han was frozen. If Han died, DSP. Clear?
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Xynar
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| OtterJethro wrote: | | ... but that is downright ridiculous to suppose that because someone is so intent on "getting him at all costs," that he is held responsible for someone elses actions. |
Luke lead Vader away from the Endor team to spare their lives and save the mission. They were out to get Luke "at all costs" so he did something about it to protect his friends and the mission.
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Matthias777
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Xynar wrote: | | Luke lead Vader away from the Endor team to spare their lives and save the mission. They were out to get Luke "at all costs" so he did something about it to protect his friends and the mission. |
I thought Luke was pretty clear about his reason for leaving the Ewok village being that he had to try and save his father from the clutches of the dark side. 
Aside from that, I agree with your reasoning for what gets a DSP and what doesn't. The rulebook is pretty cut and dry on this subject, IMHO.
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OtterJethro
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Xynar wrote: | | Luke lead Vader away from the Endor team to spare their lives and save the mission. They were out to get Luke "at all costs" so he did something about it to protect his friends and the mission. |
Luke didn't want to blow their position. He understood that Vader could sense where he was and vice versa. He knew he would blow the element of surprise. Had he not turned himself into Vader he would have been awarded a DSP? |
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Jedi Skyler
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| Yeah, but you also need to remember that Vader knew Luke was lying about being alone. After all, why send a unit of stormtroopers to look for his friends if you believe there was no one with him? |
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Xynar
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Jedi Skyler wrote: | | Yeah, but you also need to remember that Vader knew Luke was lying about being alone. After all, why send a unit of stormtroopers to look for his friends if you believe there was no one with him? |
But he removed Vader from the field by surrendering. Otherwise Vader would have hunted him down and probably killed every Ewok and Rebel just to get to Luke.
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Ankhanu
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| Jedi Skyler wrote: | | Yeah, but you also need to remember that Vader knew Luke was lying about being alone. After all, why send a unit of stormtroopers to look for his friends if you believe there was no one with him? |
I think the point is that Luke did what he could to prevent being the cause of the rebels being hunted... that it didn't work isn't important, the fact that he tried is. |
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Jedi Skyler
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly. He did what he could. |
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Xynar
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jedi Skyler wrote: | | Exactly. He did what he could. |
Which, for in game mechanics, is better than doing nothing.
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Jedi Skyler
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, especially when you go past the mechanics and get into the roleplaying aspect of it. |
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awfulalex
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Luke is a true hero and like all true heroes he is sometimes arrogant, over-confidant and makes foolish descisions. Well in the end the Hero always achieves what he set out too do, but not always in the way he thought he would.
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Aries Bachen
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| Yes. completly overpowered for yer average campaigne. It's a fairly common mistake that I made myself several time in the early going. It's the kinda thing that can totally throw of the balance of the game. Ofcourse once it's been introduced, you can't just take it away without upsetting the player or players. The goal then is to come up with an equally outlandish way to destroy, limit , or otherwise remove from the game. |
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