NFS and DSP..

[Pel]

I'm with the Esteemed Masque on this one: legitimate military target. So, if we assume the Rebel Strike Team doesn't get any DSPs, why should the vengeful worker? True, he's not "officially sanctioned", but it's not as if he's blowing up Alderaan, torching orphans, or kicking puppies around the neighborhood. Those actions are just mean!
_________________
Aha!

[garhkal]

IMO the difference between a rebel soldier blowing up a factory, versus a vengful (KEY WORD HERE) worker, is the soldier is acting on orders, not hatred/vengence..... Revenge is the kicker to a dsp imo. Tack that on to him not doing anything to get those civilians out of the blast radius, and i might even award 2 dsps...
_________________
Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk!

[masque]

[Tejma_Muhog]

[masque]

[Soniv]

[garhkal]

[masque]

[Tejma_Muhog]

Having never actually read all of the Brian Daley Solo books, I can't say for sure, but I thought I remembered someone somewhere mentioning that they were "grittier" and a little darker than the movies. Especially when you consider that Lucas' intent appears to have been for Han to be somewhat sanitized.

If I were a WEG editor, I'd be understandably uncertain what to do there as far as DSPs go. They may have assumed he did some things that "redeemed" him, so to speak, and enabled his DSPs to be erased. (But then you'd expect Han's stats in "The Corporate Sector Sourcebook" to have more DSPs, which IIRC they don't.)
_________________
Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.

[masque]

[masque]

bump.
_________________
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

[scott2978]

Thanks for the Bump Masque!


My take on this situation where the vengeful NFS worker blows up the TIE Bomber production facility and everyone in it is like this:

Weather he deserves a DSP or not depends on a few factors:

1. Evil
2. Innocence
3. Intent
4. Cost

Evil in Star Wars
In SW, good vs evil is a central theme, and is easily distinguished from one another. In the movies, all good beings are concerned with life and living beings. All evil characters are unconcerned with life and who dies as a result of their actions. Maybe innocent or good beings do die due to the actions of good characters, but you know they would regret those deaths if they pondered it. My definition of an evil act is one that is unconcerned with the sanctity of life. The Force is said to be flowing through all living things, and it's all about life. So the opposite seems to be a wanton disregard for life, which is what I equate with the dark side.

Innocence
Innocence does play a part in the debate over DSPs. But I think the real key here isn't weather or not the victims are innocent or not, (ie: the factory workers) but weather the killer is innocent or not. Did the guy know the workers would be in the factory at the time? Was he concerned about their deaths? Were the factory workers pro-Imperial or innocent slaves, or were they just more concerned with making a buck than what the Empire would do with those TIE Bombers they were making? Basically, was he aware that he would be killing anyone who didn't deserve it?

Intent
Was the worker's intent to get back at the empire or to get back at his co workers for making the TIE Bombers that killed his family, or to get back at Seinar for selling out to the Empire?

Cost
Is the cost of any innocent lives lost in the explosion worth the outcome of a few days or weeks of TIE production lost? Were there 20 innocent co workers at the factory or 20,000? Is the cost of going through with it worth the desired practical outcome? Does he care?

So...
If the NFS worker knew that the factory was manned 24/7, and that his fellow workers cared nothing for the death and destruction that the TIE fighters they were making would do in the hands of the Empire, and his intent was to stop those TIEs from being delivered, then I'd say he was justified and I wouldnt give him any DSPs.

However...
If he knew the factory was unmanned at night, or if he knew a way to set off the fire alarm to evacuate the workers and went through with his plan at mid-shift anyway, or if he didn't really care if any innocent workers were killed, or if the workers were innocent slaves forced to do the work, and the guy wanted to take out his employer without regard to co9llateral human damage, then I'd say hell yeah, he deserves a DSP. Depending on how many people he killed, I might give him more than one.

To me, the balance is not in what the chartacter does, but what he thinks. I try to keep in mind that the end does NOT justify the means, but sometimes innocent deaths simply cannot be avoided, and sometimes it's even worth it to lose some innocent lives to accomplish a greater good. Think of all the slave workers aboard the Death Star...



Scott

[masque]

See, I view the workers killed as legitimate military targets as well. Any destruction of resources hurts the Empire's war production, and that includes human resources. It costs money and time to train new workers to keep cranking out TIEs, and that hampers the Empire's ability to wage war. DSPs don't come into it. Killing people is an integral part of war, whether direct combatants or support personnel. Those workers may not be on the field of battle, but they are waging war just the same by helping to build the devices that the Empire uses to wage it. I wouldn't give DSPs to an Imperial commander or spy who took out a Rebel shipyard, either.

If Wedge and Lando can blow up Death Star II without picking up DSPs for killing the contractors working on the construction, I see no reason to to award them in this instance, either.
_________________
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

[Ankhanu]

From Clerks:

Blue Collar Man: "Excuse me, I don't mean to interrupt, but, uh, what are you talking about?"
Randal: "The ending of Return of the Jedi."
Dante: "My friend here is trying to convince me that any independent contractors who were working on the Death Star were innocent victims when they were destroyed by the rebels."
Blue Collar Man: "Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer. 'Done and Ready Home Improvements'. And speaking as a roofer, I can tell you a roofer's personal politics comes into play heavily when choosing jobs."
Randal: "Like when?"
Blue Collar Man: "Three weeks ago, I was offered a job up in the hills, beautiful house, ton's of property, a simple re-shingling job. They told me if I could finish it in one day, I would double my price. Then I realized whose house it was."
Dante: "Whose house was it?"
Blue Collar Man: "Dominic Bambino's."
Randal: "Baby Face Bambino, teh gangster?"
Blue Collar Man: "The same! The money was right, but the risk was too high. I know who he was, and based on that, I turned the job over to a friend of mine."
Dante: "Bosed on personal politics."
Blue Collar Man: "Right! And the next week, the Foresie family put a hit on Baby Face's house. My friend was shot and killed. Didn't even finish re-shingling."
Randal: "No way."
Blue Collar Man: "I'm alive because I knew the risk involved in that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. Any contractor working on that Death Star knew the risk involved. If they got killed, it's their own fault. A roofer listen's to this, not his wallet."

[DoubtBreak]