Purchasing Advanced Skills

Liam (Gunman) Kissane · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: Purchasing Advanced Skills

A debate that has come up a couple of times with my group, to purchase an Advanced Skill, the prerequisite is 5D (Medicine for example). Is that 5D total (Attribute and Skill dice) or 5D Skill Dice (on top of Attribute)?

The 2nd Ed R&E core rulebook just says "must have 5D in the skill".

Is there any clarification that anyone is aware of - or is it one of those vagarities to "leave to the GM's discrection"?

Robert · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 105

I don´t know whether the rulebooks state that clearly for advanced skills, but skills count, when they are to be raised, with their full dice and not only with the dice above the attribute. It also has a logical approach. If you are naturally good at something, why would you have to study harder (more cps) to reach a skill level that qualifies you for advanced surgery?

Therefore i would rule the actual value, and not the difference to the attribute counts for qualifying.
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Liam (Gunman) Kissane · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:02 am Post subject:

What I do know from my RL "advanced skills" is that I only have gained them through studying hard and learning by experience, and I haven't chosen a career that greatly varies from my natural talents.

I just think it's crazy that it is possible to create a starting character with 3 or 4 Advanced Skills (say - in Capital Ship Construction, Starfighter Construction and Medicine) as an 16YO Kid who's just jumped off-planet while skipping school.

MDs don't go to Medical School just for the Frat Parties!

Robert · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 105

Only such characters can be made which the GM deems appropriate.

If your RL experience tells you, you only learned your advanced skills because of studying, this doesn´t change. But someone with no talent (Mech 2D) has to study longer than someone with talents and preeducation (Mech 4D). This is imho resembled by the rules.
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Boomer · Captain Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Terra Sol

First, it is the total for the skill. So 4d in Tec+1d in the pre-requisite skill qualifies you for the advanced skill.

Liam (Gunman) Kissane · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:23 am Post subject:

PC-032 · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:09 am Post subject:

our take is 5D total Minimum and a Minimum of 1D ranks of Skill.
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Vartax · Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject:

When it comes to getting them later on the character goes unused for a while to give him the months/years required in getting the technicl training for any advanced skills.

PsiberDragon · Commander Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 260

So... by that token, a Carosi who starts w/ 5D in First Aid has xD in Mech and yD in First Aid to a total of 5D? So they're automatically able to take 2D in Medicine (@ character creation)? And, by that thought, could they take specialization in "Wookie Medicine", and have it at 3D? Carrying on w/ that thought... Advanced Skills take 2x CP to improve, and Specializations cost 1/2x CP to improve, so the Specialization Wookie Medicine would cost (2 x 1/2 = 1) CP to improve???

Does that make sense? and is that right?
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masque · Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:31 am Post subject:

Sounds reasonable.
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garhkal · Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:12 am Post subject:

IIRC you could only 'learn 1d' of advanced skills, starting out..
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PsiberDragon · Commander Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 260

Actually, it says that it's like all the other beginning skills ... in the example given (p29 R&E) it says:

Example: The prerequisite for the advanced skill of (A) medicine is first aid 5D. If your character has at least 5D in first aid, you can put 1D or 2D of your beginning skill dice in (A) medicine.
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garhkal · Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:

I stand corrected.
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Allst Beamem · Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject:

Masque Wrote,

masque · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:30 am Post subject:

I take it you disagree?
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