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Why is Perception allowed to resist Telekinesis?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Why is Perception allowed to resist Telekinesis? Reply with quote

Your opinions?
I can see why Control can be allowed to resist it, but Perception?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to recognize and sense how the hold is working, like fighting through an invisible maze.

When you are held with telekinesis, you are simply held. Strength avails nothing as you are not held by an opposing strength, but the same force that binds matter togethor in the first place. And someone else just said to physics "Make the matter right there hold still."
So you have to perceive and move out of this command, not brute through it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must have had too much beer, that one just went past me.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could Willpower be used to resist?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, willpower is for something mind affecting. This is body affecting.

Let me try and restate what I meant. You have to perceive the hold on you, the telekinesis, through your senses, in order to break free. Being aware of yourself and surroundings, which is under perception. It is all connected to recognizing you are being held by the supernatural, not some energy field technology.
The force telekinesis binds a person when the force user simply wills a hold on the person, and no amount of strength can ever force the Force.

You have to be able to feel your way out, like hitting the walls of an invisible maze.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never liked Perception vs TK, and have always viewd this as an oversight in the rules. I have always defaulted TK resistance to strength because, no matter how you slice it, TK is physical force. It's all in the physics...
It seems that since the force is this mysterious...ummm...force, they simply defaulted almost all resistance to Perception, as if it were all illusion. I will never understand their reasoning for this, and can only second guess it.

I would never allow willpower, or any similar mental skill, to resist TK, or any other force power with a physical effect.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, how do you resist telekinesis.
Is it possible?
Or is it like gravity?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KageRyu wrote:
I have never liked Perception vs TK, and have always viewd this as an oversight in the rules. I have always defaulted TK resistance to strength because, no matter how you slice it, TK is physical force. It's all in the physics...
It seems that since the force is this mysterious...ummm...force, they simply defaulted almost all resistance to Perception, as if it were all illusion. I will never understand their reasoning for this, and can only second guess it.

I would never allow willpower, or any similar mental skill, to resist TK, or any other force power with a physical effect.


Perhaps they felt that allowing str was too easy a cop out... imagine a wookie on a force point. He would have 10d to resist TK.

And there are more races with high strength than high perception/knowledge...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, strength won't do you any good if you're being held about 3 feet above the ground, away from any hand holds.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On top of that, perception is a physical skill.

And you can never over power a force if your strength has been negated, as in Argamoth's example above. Your 3 feet away from anything you can use for resistance, you don't even get a strength roll. So how do you, as a non-force user, get out of a TK hold?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what we see, should Perception or even Willpower be allowed?
Even Jedi have difficulty from escaping Telekinesis.

Control, YES.

How does a non force user escape this power?
Sorry you can't.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider the scenes where Luke is training on Dagobah with Yoda. The telekinesis power is affected by the Jedi's ability to believe in the capability of their power.

Now, consider the sorts of skills that go beneath Perception. Persuasion and Con in particular, but a few Perception skills deal with influencing beliefs.

So, if the target can seem invulnerable to the telekinesis to the Jedi, then the Jedi will fail.


Oh yeah, and game balance.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is, Telekinesis is still a physical affect. But strength certainly cannot resist it if you can never apply an opposing force with raw power.

However, you can still feel where the hold is, if it was truly all encompassing you would be frozen, if you can move it is always possible to simply move from the spot influenced by TK.

But of course, how do you know what specifically is being held by TK, and what is being told by the force user to stand still? You have to sense it, perceive it. And than quite literally what you are doing is simply moving out of the way.

Also, force-sensitive or not, all living things are connected to the force. Just because you don't feel the influence of the force itself does not mean you are unaffected, and vice-versa.

Otherwise, non-force-sensitives would also be 100% immune to force powers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, at the end of all this are we saying that Perception or Control can be allowed to resist Telekinesis and nothing else?
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