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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14213 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: Armeggedon/Deep impact, Star wars style... |
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Lets say we have a planet threatning asteroid ala armegeddon coming towards one of the rebels safe worlds.... Their only resources at the time to combat it, are the pcs and their ship(s)....
A) how much damage do you think would need to be done to cause the asteroid to 'shift' course?
B) do you think they would have an easier time of 'drilling'??
How big do you think an asteroid would need to be to cause a large city to be destroyed?? _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Argamoth Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 234
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: |
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For just a city to be destroyed, I'd say no more than 100m diameter. But then again, I'm not meteorologist.
As for moving it off course, it depends on how soon the pary gets there. If they have a few days, they could easily get the rock to land in an unpopulated area or in the ocean. With a bit of effort they could make it miss the plantet, or have it burn up or bounce off the atmosphere. But again, that depends on the mass of the rock.
I think tractor beams would be the most effective, assuming that it's 1 solid rock. If it's chunky or dusty, then blasting it apart and vaporizing the bigger peiced would probably do. |
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Boomer Captain
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Terra Sol
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Meterologist studies weather.
Astrophysicist studies rocks and junk moving through space. Junk is the technical term.
In Star Wars the ability to move planet smashing asteroids is almost basic. This includes using them to attack planets. We see examples of this in the thrawn series, and from pirates. _________________ My backpack has jets!
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Trusty Commander
Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 273 Location: North Little Rock, AR
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Tractor Beam... _________________ Growing old is inevitable. Growing up is optional! |
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Phalanks Balas Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 176 Location: Paris - France
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: |
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to give you an idea of what metor can do...
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/
enjoy _________________ Phalanks
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Boomer"]Meterologist studies weather.
Astrophysicist studies rocks and junk moving through space. Junk is the technical term.quote]
"...And now the nightly asteroid report, straight from our News-8 Reporter Drone..." |
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Volar the Healer Jedi
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 664 Location: Arizona, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Armeggedon/Deep impact, Star wars style... |
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garhkal wrote: | ...how much damage do you think would need to be done to cause the asteroid to 'shift' course? |
There may be other answers; If the PCs have a tractor beam, they could pull the asteroid out of it's path so it would miss the planet. This might be a good time to call for an Imperial star destroyer. (Let the Empire have the credit if it saves lives.)
The city might take no damage if it has a city or planetary deflector shield. If the planet they're rescuing has nuclear (or antimatter conversion) technology, it may be possible to reduce the asteroid to small pieces which the deflector shields can handle.
Hmmmm, I wonder what kind of roll would be needed to use telekenesis... _________________ Know Jesus, Know Peace.
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hey- it SHOULD be Very Easy; there's practically no weight in space, right?
But seriously, I'd think the roll wouldn't have to be too terribly high. The only real determining factor would be if the character was a whiny little whelp like Luke was when he had to pull his X-Wing out of the muck. If he could've lifted an X-WING with his low stats in regular gravity, surely an asteroid would be easier in zero-g... |
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Boomer Captain
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Terra Sol
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Planetary deflectors and high yield missile weaponry could probably reduce an asteroid to bits and knock it away harmlessly.
It might take a team of blockade runners using tractor beams and lasers a while to merely shift it's course.
A Jedi using telekinesis, I would say that no matter what the strength, it is really a matter of time, effort, and faith.
Luke was frikin pulling that X-Wing up, he just gave up before he did it.
Yoda wasn't moving any faster at it, he held back from using the same wrenching power he used in the fight with Darth Tyranis. But Yoda kept it up until the X-Wing was out.
I would say, an asteroid had a difficulty of 50 or 100, and a Jedi can add plus 1 to his result per round to try and move the asteroid. It would take him probably an hour before he than took hold of th asteroid, and began moving it, and than finally managed to get it the hell out of the way. _________________ My backpack has jets!
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Endwyn Commander
Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 481
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't give the astroid that high of a difficulty at all. If you're just moving it off course, then your only adjusting the trajectory, like pushing it from the right while letting it keep it's velocity. TK difficulties are based on weight, and in space your dealing with near weightlessness, so the difficulty shouldn't be too bad - just would take several rounds to adjust the trajectory enough. _________________ Luke, I am your father.
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That's...highly unlikely.
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Boomer Captain
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Terra Sol
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but if weight means present weight, and in 0G everything is considered weightless for the purposes of Telekinesis, you just made Jedi omnipotent in space battles as they now need a roll of 0 to affect everything. _________________ My backpack has jets!
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Krapou Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 173 Location: Bordeaux, France
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Well there is still mass and inertia, even in 0G.
In 0G you don't have to move object against gravity but against their own mass and velocity.
So moving an asteroid going fast in space is IMHO much more difficult than moving the same amount of rock in a standard gravity.
Sure you could take time, but maybe the asteroid will hit the planet before ? |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14213 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Boomer wrote: | Yes, but if weight means present weight, and in 0G everything is considered weightless for the purposes of Telekinesis, you just made Jedi omnipotent in space battles as they now need a roll of 0 to affect everything. |
Valid point. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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Jedi Skyler Moff
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Boomer wrote: | Yes, but if weight means present weight, and in 0G everything is considered weightless for the purposes of Telekinesis, you just made Jedi omnipotent in space battles as they now need a roll of 0 to affect everything. |
I don't think it should be that easy (despite my humor otherwise...) I do think it shouldn't be too terribly difficult, but if it becomes an issue a GM could always throw in the issue Luke had...
LS: I don't believe it!
Yoda: That is why you fail.
At least randomize for that possbility with a die roll. Beat the roll or increase the difficulty number. That would allow for a little more difficulty without making it an astronomical roll. |
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Volar the Healer Jedi
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 664 Location: Arizona, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Uh, guys...that was a rhetorical question...a joke. _________________ Know Jesus, Know Peace.
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