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ThrorII
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| Whill wrote: | | I have a surprising amount of sympathy for fascist ISB Supervisor Dedra Meero. |
Yes, I think she's going to find her ideals and the Empire's ideals are going to diverge next season. The character strikes me as someone who likes sausage, but then is disgusted by how sausage is made.
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pakman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly - I am not sure if we will Supervisor meero leave the empire - I think she is too far "in".
Could be - but I think that would be quite a development to see.
One character I think we MAY see go to the rebels side - is Linus Mosk, the bluberry SGT that was on the ferrix raid, got kicked out by the empire, then was there at the end.
We see him here are the very end of the show in the aftermath of the events on Ferrix - drinking. This scene is bookended by other very major characters and plot points (Mon giving up her daughter for the rebellion, and Cassian joining) so I think it is an important event.
I also think it would put him on a conflicting trajectory with Syril - and would love to see how that would play out.
Still - if Supervisor Meero changed sides - I am sure it will quite the story.
Regardless - Andor s1 was a masterpiece - and I eagerly await S2.
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After what we heard of her background in Season 2 there is zero chance Dedra turns. She was raised in the Imperial system since she was three.
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It took me a couple days but I watched the first arc of s2. The overall fantastic television entertainment continues.
It was no surprise that Meero and Syril ended up together. I was totally caught off guard by seeing Meero smiling for the first time on the show. But her true self came out when she laid down the law for Syril's mother. Syril's anxiety is so realistic - I know people just like him (and Meero) in RL. I am also doubtful that Meero would ever betray the Empire.
One issue I had is a (possibly knee-jerk) reaction to Mon Mothma's seeming lack of being able to hide her emotions at her daughter's wedding. Someone supposedly so adept at politics had such a troubled look on her face so many times. I think it may have been a poor actor/director choice. Normally that expression would be considered good acting that helped sell the drama, but it seems out of place for the character. But then again, this season will show how Mothma leaves the Senate and goes all-in with the Rebellion, so we will see how it all unfolds.
That TIE Avenger is OP! I'm not a fan of TIEs being so spacious inside, an unfortunate trend that started at the beginning of Disney Wars by Rebels. In ANH, the cockpits of both the line TIEs and Vader's model were so cramped that it looked like there was barely enough room for the pilot.
This show is so unorthodox for Star Wars, but it's like a slice of life in the SW galaxy and I am really enjoying it. Tony Gilroy is the bright light of Disney Wars. After Andor s2, he will likely be done with Star Wars.
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Mamatried
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Should we put on a spoiler lock again with the new season?
On that note, the TIE in the show, was this the avenger, and if so it is huge inside and seems to have room for a pilot and at least with seating 3 passengers with room to move around |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Mamatried wrote: | | Should we put on a spoiler lock again with the new season? |
I'm not sure what you mean by "spoiler lock". This is the single "Andor [Spoilers Allowed]" thread. The Rancor Pit Spoiler Policy is always in effect. "Three weeks after a new media's release date, spoiler restrictions no longer have to be followed for the release." I did bump the thread as a reminder.
| Quote: | | On that note, the TIE in the show, was this the avenger |
Yes, it's supposed to be a Tie Avenger prototype.
| Quote: | | if so it is huge inside and seems to have room for a pilot and at least with seating 3 passengers with room to move around |
Two things:
• It's an attack fighter. There doesn't need to be room to move around inside.
• There is room for well more than three passengers (which it also doesn't need). There is a very odd canon ship design trend for outer hulls of Imperial ships to be very thin. The same Rebels episode that had three rebels (including big Zeb) fit inside the cockpit of a standard TIE also had Ezra use a lightsaber to cut through the outer hull of a star destroyer like it was made out of butter.
This silly animated design trend has now effected live action. But that is a small gripe about an overall amazingly good show.
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 12:12 am Post subject: Andor! |
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Wow! Andor is awesome! This is not only the best Star Wars TV (by far) – This is some of the best TV in general that I have ever seen. Andor is first truly adult Star Wars production. And the production value is amazing – They really embraced the retro-futurism of SW by making technology look like 1970s sci-fi.
I wanted to point out a continuity/timeline concern. In the EU (introduced by WEG), the "Ghorman Massacre" took place early in the Empire – It was described as Moff Tarkin landing a ship on people. In Disney Canon, the "Ghorman Massacre" was mentioned on Rebels as an atrocity that served as the catalyst for Mon Mothma to speak out against Palpatine and leave the Senate to lead the Alliance much later, in 2 BBY. Andor has reconciled these two conflicting facts by establishing that both events occurred. Tarkin still landed a ship on Ghormans early in the Empire, but it is known as the Tarkin Massacre now. The 2 BBY Ghorman Massacre mentioned in Rebels was portrayed in Andor.
| Mon Mothma wrote: | Fellow Senators, friends, colleagues, allies, adversaries. I stand before you this morning with a heavy heart. I’ve spent my life in this chamber. I came here as a child. And as I look around now, I realize I have almost no memories that pre-date my arrival and few bonds of affection that cleave so tightly. Through these many years, I believe I have served my constituents honorably and upheld our code of conduct. This chamber is a cauldron of opinions and we’ve certainly all had our patience and tempers tested in pursuit of our ideals. Disagree as we might, I am hopeful that those of you who know me will vouch for my credibility in the days to come.
I stand this morning with a difficult message. I believe we are in crisis. The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss. Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest. This Chamber’s hold on the truth was finally lost on the Ghorman Plaza. What took place yesterday… what happened yesterday on Ghorman was unprovoked genocide! Yes! Genocide! And that truth has been exiled from this chamber! And the monster screaming the loudest? The monster we’ve helped create? The monster who will come for us all soon enough is Emperor Palpatine–– |
Of course, it was Andor who got her out of the Senate right after they finally meet.
I'm really looking forward to the conclusion of the series next Tuesday. I will try my best to start watching right at 9pm EDT so I can finish it all in one night to avoid spoilers.
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I am still in the process of watching - only 1st episode so far.
Regarding this TIE Avenger, when I saw Andor having so much trouble with operating the ship, I was wondering why was he selected to steal it. But later when the others had no what idea what certain system does: "lack of familiarity with systems" and "controls are confusing".
Mechanically, it seems that starfighter piloting skill is not enough if one is not familiar with the vessel and its systems. Probably all flying and shooting were done on base Mechanical attribute?
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Andor! |
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| Whill wrote: | | I wanted to point out a continuity/timeline concern. In the EU (introduced by WEG), the "Ghorman Massacre" took place early in the Empire – It was described as Moff Tarkin landing a ship on people. In Disney Canon, the "Ghorman Massacre" was mentioned on Rebels as an atrocity that served as the catalyst for Mon Mothma to speak out against Palpatine and leave the Senate to lead the Alliance much later, in 2 BBY. Andor has reconciled these two conflicting facts by establishing that both events occurred. Tarkin still landed a ship on Ghormans early in the Empire, but it is known as the Tarkin Massacre now. The 2 BBY Ghorman Massacre mentioned in Rebels was portrayed in Andor. |
I really appreciated this little bit of retcon. |
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It's been a week since Andor ended. It of course didn't have a proper ending because it literally leads right into RO, which of course leads directly into ANH, a story with a proper ending.
After finishing Andor, I was left feeling a bit uneasy because of discontinuities with RO, but after watching RO again (the first time seeing it since 2022), I realized that I was misremembering the film a bit and there are no discontinuities. Andor did an amazing job maintaining continuity with RO. The big "issue" I am seeing hubbub about is about the below quote from RO. In Andor, Cassian was in an Imperial prison, and he mentioned being in a detention center when he was 13.
Chirrut Îmwe: We've been in worst cages than this.
Cassian Andor: This is a first for me.
There are so many possible interpretations that this is completely a non-issue. Cassian could have meant this is the worst "cage" he has been in. Or maybe he was responding more philosophically due to Chirrut's apparent resignation ('It's not that bad') because Cassian is shown looking for a way out (and had a way to open the lock when the guards left). And Cassian is a spy so he may have simply been lying. Many fans suffer from the logical fallacy that assumes every character is always 100% factual and honest with everything they say on screen.
After watching RO again, I feel great about Andor. It helps me suspend disbelief in the Star Wars franchise as a whole (or at least the parts of it I like). Andor is the single best Star Wars TV production ever, and one of the few best Disney Wars products.
It's not a big secret that I am not a big fan of Disney Wars as a whole, but I truly feel pity for prejudiced SW fans who deny themselves this high quality SW series due disliking some other Disney Wars product they have seen. To be plagued by such a binary view of the franchise is some serious cognitive dissonance. Star Wars was a mixed bag before Disney.
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