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| garhkal wrote: | | pakman wrote: |
All of them being force users (this part as decided a long time before we started the game) was one of the primary drivers for me to overhaul the force power system, which is really almost a new edition with all our house rules...
All of us were fans of the animated series Clone Wars and Rebels - so we had a lot fun having backgrounds inspired by those events, and then later (once the actual campaign started) adventuring during the early years before the rebellion was more than just isolated groups. |
Thanks for the run down. Makes me wonder, what were their starting levels in force d?? |
I gave them modified templates from the old tales of the jedi book, with some tweaking based on their character concepts. They also got some starting skills from the background sessions. In our house rules, we have a Force Attribute, and Control, Sense and Alter are skills under the force attribute.
The party members had Force Attribute scores between 2D and 2D+2 for all of them.
None of them expressed too much desire to be more powerful in the force - as they were more interested in their personal character stories defining them (that - and in our house rules - the higher your Force Attribute - the easier other force users can detect you.....).
There were some other narrative elements which limited some of their other skills - but overall, don't allow starting characters with higher than a 5D in any skill (from blasters to Alter).
The campaign is in it's second year - and going well - the force rules (which took over six months to develop) have held up well - with just some minor tweaks here and there (small adjustments on a few power levels, and exhaustion etc.).
While the clone wars were a major part of our game (bunch of key events in a timeline, mapped to campaign events and then were part of first session to establish background) - I don't want to hijack this thread with stuff from our game.
I might eventually make a post somewhere about the campaign - as we have logs for about 90% of the sessions.
LIke I said earlier - I think the clone wars (and right before) offer a lot of great story opportunities for campaigns. A bit of work for a few things - but overall - has been a ton of fun.
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groda
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| Quote: | | I disagree that Lucas had any intent for the PT to "rewrite" Star Wars. The story certainly evolved over time, but I don't think Lucas intentionally set out to change the backstory. |
Let me clarify my meaning here, because I think we are largely in agreement. For story purposes, he changed the backstory, much like what you are saying.
What I meant by "intent" here is that the prequels represented a unique story problem, the endpoint was largely known. So, I think he wanted some surprises like those in TESB and RotJ. Here the revelations went against expectations, i.e., even though we knew how the story would end, we didn't know how, the details, the tragic twists and turns. The "nature" of the clones was a big "revelation" in the prequels (at least it was for me). I agree that so few details were given in the OT about the clone wars or the clones that he really had a lot of storytelling real estate. How did he achieve the revelation effect? This is what I meant by intent here: simply that he wanted the audience to experience revealing, with things not working out exactly like we anticipated--not really changing the backstory, but he made story choices that would recreate the feeling of wonderment of the OT. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| groda wrote: | | Whill wrote: | | I disagree that Lucas had any intent for the PT to "rewrite" Star Wars. The story certainly evolved over time, but I don't think Lucas intentionally set out to change the backstory. |
Let me clarify my meaning here, because I think we are largely in agreement. For story purposes, he changed the backstory, much like what you are saying.
What I meant by "intent" here is that the prequels represented a unique story problem, the endpoint was largely known. So, I think he wanted some surprises like those in TESB and RotJ. Here the revelations went against expectations, i.e., even though we knew how the story would end, we didn't know how, the details, the tragic twists and turns. The "nature" of the clones was a big "revelation" in the prequels (at least it was for me). I agree that so few details were given in the OT about the clone wars or the clones that he really had a lot of storytelling real estate. How did he achieve the revelation effect? This is what I meant by intent here: simply that he wanted the audience to experience revealing, with things not working out exactly like we anticipated--not really changing the backstory, but he made story choices that would recreate the feeling of wonderment of the OT. |
I see more of what you were going for. As the PT went into production, Lucas did say you already know the broad strokes of what happens, but you don't know how it happens. But I do not feel that Lucas intentionally set out to recreate the effect of "I am your father"-level twists in the PT.
The "revelation" of the Republic having the clones in the Clone War is only a revelation to big Star Wars fans that knew about Zahn's version, which is a small minority of moviegoers. To most viewers, "the clone wars" was literally just throwaway backstory lines in the CT, so the PT was finally detailing them for the first time. There was no major expectation that clones would be on either side, so there is no reason to think Lucas intended on the clones being on the side of he Republic would be a major twist for audiences. I acknowledge it was a twist for you.
The major revelation in the PT was the mystery of the identity of the phantom menace, not overtly revealed until RotS ("You're the Sith Lord!"). A lot of general moviegoers correctly thought Darth Sidious was the Emperor from RotJ but didn't pick up on the fact that Senator/Chancellor Palpatine was played by the same actor as the Emperor. Most moviegoers had no idea that the Emperor's name was Palpatine as that was never stated in the CT (that required deeper fan knowledge to know, like knowing details of the clone wars). Most younger viewers who had seen the CT first still didn't know Palpatine was the Sith Master until RotS.
Going into TPM, I knew that Senator Palpatine would eventually become the the emperor, but I was so caught up in the awe and wonder of the movie that I didn't assume Sidious was the same character and thought he was maybe Palpatine's master. In my first viewing, it wasn't until Qui-Gon's funeral pyre when Mace Windu said which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice, and the camera panned to include Palpatine that it dawned on me that Palpatine was Sidious. I am very happy that I at least got that experience because I knew too much as a fan for me to not realize it until Anakin did in RotS.
I first started dating my wife in 2005 after RotS had come out on DVD. She had never seen any Star Wars, so as an experiment, I wanted to try chronological order to see how her experience would be. Although she thought Palpatine was shady and didn't trust him throughout the PT, she was completely surprised in RotS to learn that he was the Sith Master. She was floored that Anakin completely turned to the Dark Side, not knowing that he would become the famous villain Darth Vader until she watched Palpatine christen him. She was quite disgusted by Palpatine and Anakin, and was really upset by the darkness of RotS (Order 66 was completely unexpected and totally devastating), but she was brought back from the edge of hating Star Wars when the twins were born, when she realized Star Wars was a generational saga and that there was hope for the future. And she still got the same twist we all did in RotJ, the return of Anakin. However it was a more powerful twist for her because she had scene how just evil Vader was and hated him with a passion. She was satisfied by the conclusion of Vader finally doing he right thing by destroying the Sith.
So the major Lucas-intended twists of the PT were that the Palpatine was the phantom menace and thus the Sith controlled both sides of the war, and that the clones were programmed to massacre the Jedi. But Lucas knew this wouldn't be that impactful of a twist for a subset of viewers.
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| Whill wrote: | | groda wrote: | | Whill wrote: | | I disagree that Lucas had any intent for the PT to "rewrite" Star Wars. The story certainly evolved over time, but I don't think Lucas intentionally set out to change the backstory. |
Let me clarify my meaning here, because I think we are largely in agreement. For story purposes, he changed the backstory, much like what you are saying.
What I meant by "intent" here is that the prequels represented a unique story problem, the endpoint was largely known. So, I think he wanted some surprises like those in TESB and RotJ. Here the revelations went against expectations, i.e., even though we knew how the story would end, we didn't know how, the details, the tragic twists and turns. The "nature" of the clones was a big "revelation" in the prequels (at least it was for me). I agree that so few details were given in the OT about the clone wars or the clones that he really had a lot of storytelling real estate. How did he achieve the revelation effect? This is what I meant by intent here: simply that he wanted the audience to experience revealing, with things not working out exactly like we anticipated--not really changing the backstory, but he made story choices that would recreate the feeling of wonderment of the OT. |
I see more of what you were going for. As the PT went into production, Lucas did say you already know the broad strokes of what happens, but you don't know how it happens. But I do not feel that Lucas intentionally set out to recreate the effect of "I am your father"-level twists in the PT.
The "revelation" of the Republic having the clones in the Clone War is only a revelation to big Star Wars fans that knew about Zahn's version, which is a small minority of moviegoers. To most viewers, "the clone wars" was literally just throwaway backstory lines in the CT, so the PT was finally detailing them for the first time. There was no major expectation that clones would be on either side, so there is no reason to think Lucas intended on the clones being on the side of he Republic would be a major twist for audiences. I acknowledge it was a twist for you.
The major revelation in the PT was the mystery of the identity of the phantom menace, not overtly revealed until RotS ("You're the Sith Lord!"). A lot of general moviegoers correctly thought Darth Sidious was the Emperor from RotJ but didn't pick up on the fact that Senator/Chancellor Palpatine was played by the same actor as the Emperor. Most moviegoers had no idea that the Emperor's name was Palpatine as that was never stated in the CT (that required deeper fan knowledge to know, like knowing details of the clone wars). Most younger viewers who had seen the CT first still didn't know Palpatine was the Sith Master until RotS.
Going into TPM, I knew that Senator Palpatine would eventually become the the emperor, but I was so caught up in the awe and wonder of the movie that I didn't assume Sidious was the same character and thought he was maybe Palpatine's master. In my first viewing, it wasn't until Qui-Gon's funeral pyre when Mace Windu said which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice, and the camera panned to include Palpatine that it dawned on me that Palpatine was Sidious. I am very happy that I at least got that experience because I knew too much as a fan for me to not realize it until Anakin did in RotS.
I first started dating my wife in 2005 after RotS had come out on DVD. She had never seen any Star Wars, so as an experiment, I wanted to try chronological order to see how her experience would be. Although she thought Palpatine was shady and didn't trust him throughout the PT, she was completely surprised in RotS to learn that he was the Sith Master. She was floored that Anakin completely turned to the Dark Side, not knowing that he would become the famous villain Darth Vader until she watched Palpatine christen him. She was quite disgusted by Palpatine and Anakin, and was really upset by the darkness of RotS (Order 66 was completely unexpected and totally devastating), but she was brought back from the edge of hating Star Wars when the twins were born, when she realized Star Wars was a generational saga and that there was hope for the future. And she still got the same twist we all did in RotJ, the return of Anakin. However it was a more powerful twist for her because she had scene how just evil Vader was and hated him with a passion. She was satisfied by the conclusion of Vader finally doing he right thing by destroying the Sith.
So the major Lucas-intended twists of the PT were that the Palpatine was the phantom menace and thus the Sith controlled both sides of the war, and that the clones were programmed to massacre the Jedi. But Lucas knew this
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I'm just sitting here laughing that Whill, Surpreme Chancellor of RancorPit, married a gal who knew NOTHING of Star Wars......talk about opposites attract.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Whill I sense you have strong feelings on this (like through the force).
| Quote: | The thread below is the one I was originally thinking of and looking for. Sorry for the delay in finding it.
The ORIGINAL Clone Wars |
Thank you for tracking this down. Exactly the stuff I was looking for.
Is it cool to post Campaign Journals? |
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garhkal
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I'm just sitting here laughing that Whill, Surpreme Chancellor of RancorPit, married a gal who knew NOTHING of Star Wars......talk about opposites attract. |
Maybe he used a strong magnet!!
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| groda wrote: | | Is it cool to post Campaign Journals? |
I'm relatively new here so I can't answer your question but I will say that campaign journals can be a great help for newer GMs to understand things a system does well or poorly that aren't written out in rulebooks.
I actually think the D6s books do a better job of that than most. Even with that, "war stories" would still be helpful. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Indeed.
| groda wrote: | | Is it cool to post Campaign Journals? |
Yes, please do: Adventures and Campaigns
| garhkal wrote: | | ThrorII wrote: | | I'm just sitting here laughing that Whill, Surpreme Chancellor of RancorPit, married a gal who knew NOTHING of Star Wars......talk about opposites attract. |
Maybe he used a strong magnet!! |
The Jedi Mind Trick had no effect on her, so I had to do something!
She loved Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, but she had truly never seen any Star Wars when we met. I remedied that. I had been warned by a prequel-hater that showing the films to her in chronological order would make her hate the CT, but that was not the case at all. In the end, her second least fave film was AotC and her least is RotS. She doesn't like Christensen-Anakin at all, and RotS is so dark. Out of the PT, she only really liked TPM. Her favorite of the six Lucas films? The one most spoiled by chrono-order, TESB. She is a huge muppet fan and loves the character of Yoda. TESB is the "most Yoda" episode. Even knowing Vader's revelation to Luke beforehand, she still felt it was dramatic, knowing much more than Luke just how bad Vader was. However, now her fave SW film of them all is TFA, the first one she saw in the theater.
So while it is surprising that I married someone who had never seen SW before we met, it should not be surprising that she became a fan before we married. No, not nearly the fan I am, but she is a fan. She has gone out and bought her own Star Wars shirts and stuff.
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Sounds like the girl i worked with in the security company i had here. HATED ROTS, but loved PM. Only liked ESB of the core trilogy.
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| garhkal wrote: | | Sounds like the girl i worked with in the security company i had here. HATED ROTS, but loved PM. Only liked ESB of the core trilogy. |
Well, my wife likes the whole CT, but TESB is her favorite of the three (like a lot of fans). My wife ended up liking all of the Disney SW movies to one degree or another, which means she likes TLJ and TRoS a lot more than I do.
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