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Yora
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I have long adopted the rule of thumb that any later source can only expand on an earlier source, but not overwrite it. When there is a conflict, the earlier source is always right.
My own headcanon for the Rebellion Era is:
Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Thrawn novels
X-Wing novels
Shadows of the Empire
Jedi-Knight games
Tie Fighter game
And that's it. I really don't like the interpretation of the Jedi and the Clone Wars in the movies. It's something that I simply ignore and don't reference. And while Thrawn, X-Wing, and Jedi Knight are cool, I like to use them as reference information, but actually set games in the years before The Empire Strikes back.
For the campaign that I am currently doing preparation work, I am going to set it in an alternative timeline set after the Dark Side ending of the Knights of the Old Republic videogame. The sources for that campaign in order of precedence are:
Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Tales of the Jedi comics
Knights of the Old Republic comics
Knights of the Old Republic game
The only things I think that get overridden by earlier works is that there is no talk of a "Light Side" and that Sith Lords are not called Darth. As far as I am aware, for the first 22 years there was only Darth Vader and nobody else.
For the sake of simplicity, I am also shrinking down the galaxy map to only the area of Sith Space and the bordering worlds of the Republic and Hutt Space. That means all the established Sith worlds like Korriban and Yavin, as well as Mandalore, Dathomir, Onderon, Kashyyyk, Trandosha, and Kessel, and you also get Ithor and Ord Mantell for the Republic. Plenty of famous old classics in only 20% of the galaxy or so.
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jtanzer
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TLDR: OT with some pulls from the EU/Legends. Everything else is either as needed or reference material.
I run the Empire as the authoritarian state it is, which means that corruption abounds, especially in the military. I've watched all of Perun's videos since March 2022, so I feel that, at least for a layman, relatively well qualified to speak on such matters.
As for specifics:
Whether Han shot first or not is immaterial.
Midiclorians exist - however only Vader, Palpatine, and a few others know that they do.
Thrawn is an unusually competent (at least by Imperial standards) commander, though not to the point of being the Mary Sue he is in Zahn's novels. He can't perform miracles, but he can pull off some nasty surprises. He's also dependent on Palpatine's protection, and he knows it.
Everything pre-Empire (i.e. TPM, AotC, RotC, CW, etc) is either propaganda or selectively remembered.
Sauce for the interested: (I've wasted so much time watching these)
Russia Ukraine analysis
Defence Economics
How Corruption, Lies & Politics Destroy Armies
Next Generation Weapon Systems
National Defence Strategy Studies
Wars & Crisis Outside Ukraine
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garhkal
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| jtanzer wrote: | TLDR: OT with some pulls from the EU/Legends. Everything else is either as needed or reference material.
I run the Empire as the authoritarian state it is, which means that corruption abounds, especially in the military. |
That's something i have often scratched my head at.. HOW such an authoritiarian military, one that is KNOWN FOr killing its own, just because of incompetence, can abide such levels of corruption in its ranks..
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pakman
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TLDR: Based on EP1-6, with some animated and comic material thrown in.
My group discussed this prior to starting our game.
What we came up with...
First we had to decide time period - as well - that gives a range;
The party is all force users, and at about 10 years after order 66.
The main events and characters of the EP 1-6, including Rogue 1 are canon and the party won't alter.
Overall - the events of the clone wars, and later bad batch - are "mostly" canon.
Future events or characters in mando or rebels are fine - but since they are in the future - the party could alter events.
our group does not consider or care for the sequels - if your group does - that is great.
We don't. At all (in fact, the major campaign plotline - will prevent them).
Famous named characters should be avoided - in the game, but are known to exist.
(luke, han, leia, ahsoka, etc.).
Secondary characters can be interacted with - but have mostly mild plot armor.
(hondo, agent kallus etc.).
M-count - does not mean midiclorians - some select scientists have identified that the ability to manipulate the force is tied to the Mitochondria - and thus somewhat hereditary "Strong in my family".
The party has a goal of finding lost jedi - so they are going to be instrumental in building "the path" from the kenobi series.
Due to the variety of sources - exact timelines are a bit ....malleable.
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jtanzer
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| garhkal wrote: |
That's something i have often scratched my head at.. HOW such an authoritiarian military, one that is KNOWN FOr killing its own, just because of incompetence, can abide such levels of corruption in its ranks.. |
In an authoritarian society, corruption is a feature, not a bug. It becomes another a tool for control. After all, if everyone has dirt on everyone else, no one is going to move without support from higher up. This video goes into more detail on how it works. Granted, it does use Russia as the operative example, however the basics should still apply. As for Vader's preferred method of...correctional discipline, who's going to tell him no? I suspect that the regular military isn't quite as forceful when disciplining officers. However, in the event that they are, I would point to Carthage, which had a habit of crucifying officers who failed.
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Whill
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I haven't watched these videos but please take great care in avoiding the discussion of real world politics in accordance with the forum guidelines. Please self-moderate and remove any videos as needed. Thanks.
| garhkal wrote: | | jtanzer wrote: | | I run the Empire as the authoritarian state it is, which means that corruption abounds, especially in the military. |
That's something i have often scratched my head at.. HOW such an authoritiarian military, one that is KNOWN FOr killing its own, just because of incompetence, can abide such levels of corruption in its ranks. |
The Emperor used the corruption within the Empire to further control and manipulate.
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garhkal
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| pakman wrote: | TLDR: Based on EP1-6, with some animated and comic material thrown in.
My group discussed this prior to starting our game.
What we came up with...
First we had to decide time period - as well - that gives a range;
The party is all force users, and at about 10 years after order 66. |
Did they ever state how so many survived? Or who they all learned from?
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pakman
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| garhkal wrote: | | pakman wrote: | TLDR: Based on EP1-6, with some animated and comic material thrown in.
My group discussed this prior to starting our game.
What we came up with...
First we had to decide time period - as well - that gives a range;
The party is all force users, and at about 10 years after order 66. |
Did they ever state how so many survived? Or who they all learned from? |
Yes... once we had our "session zero" with the planning etc. I worked on the campaign story, and we then did a narrative background session designed around events leading up to the start of the campaign. The players had choices to make a different events - etc. That way they all knew one another and had connections - not just to each other - but to key events and npcs which would come up in the future.
To make a longer story shorter (and not really part of this thread ) - they effectively "missed" order 66 - only hearing about it later - so early parts of the campaign were a very strong "fish out of water" type vibe where they had to figure out what had happened, who had survived etc.
As the gm I used various surviving jedi from different sources - they had recently met with jedi master Darrin Arkanian - and one of the main antagonists is Inquisitor Tremayne - who - they knew from their background sessions...(both are on wookiepedia...).
Side note - one of the players is a huge fan of the actor Christopher Lee - and I worked with the player on his character's backstory that he as an abandoned padawan of Dooku when he left the jedi order. The idea is that canon characters exist - but in our game, we can add to their stories as it fits our campaign.
I use a lot of existing canon elements - and and add to them, alter them etc. or change them in ways the party was involved.
For example - one of the characters is in a "liason" with an young ambitious imperial communications officer - who at first believed in the empire - but now - is not so sure. She is the younger version of Tala Durith from the Kenobi series.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: What's your Star Wars Universe? |
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Primary influences: Archie Goodwin, Brian Daley, and 1990s Timothy Zahn.
Secondary influences: Everything WEG and Bantam, plus the Essential Atlas.
The Clone Wars ended 35 BBY as per A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, Second Edition.
I scale the Galaxy way down in size. Galactic coordinate = 1 ly across instead of the official 15 pc. |
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CoratDamar
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My short answer is "I-VI, Rogue One, Andor, and most of what we see in TCW and Mando/BOBF." I like Rebels and Bad Batch but I have some reservations about elements therefrom. I have many reservations about Ahsoka and whatever the Syncretic Thrawn Movie is going to be.
The LucasArts flight sims are about as close to "game canon" in my setting as any video game is liable to be 
Post-Endor Imperial warlordism is going to be big in my setting when we get to it, for reasons very similar to jtanzer's.
I am also toying around with the wacky notion that, partly because of learning Vader was her father, Leia abandons politics very soon after Endor in favor of Force study with Luke. That she would not want to risk the PR damage to the nascent New Republic should her affiliation with Vader come out. (This may help to alleviate another of the Pre-Mouse EU's problems: Luke, Han, and Leia having to be at the center of every galactic event.)
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That's often made me wonder, IF when it was found out her father was vader (thus luke was her bro), DID anyone IN The new republic try to vote leia out?
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| CoratDamar wrote: | | My short answer is "I-VI, Rogue One, Andor... |
Add Solo to this, and that is my live-action canon. Everything else is an à la carte menu where I pick and choose the aspects I want in my canon.
| CoratDamar wrote: | | I am also toying around with the wacky notion that, partly because of learning Vader was her father, Leia abandons politics very soon after Endor in favor of Force study with Luke. That she would not want to risk the PR damage to the nascent New Republic should her affiliation with Vader come out. (This may help to alleviate another of the Pre-Mouse EU's problems: Luke, Han, and Leia having to be at the center of every galactic event.) |
I double-checked and don't see that I ever mentioned this in this thread...
In my mind, Leia abandoned politics in ANH when the Senate was disbanded. In between ANH and RotJ, Leia served the Alliance in a primarily military position (not that they never put her political prowess to use for specific missions when needed).
In my post-RotJ SWU, Leia accepted the responsibility of her Force potential and became new Jedi Knight Luke's first padawan. Luke received guidance from the Force ghosts of Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin, who informed Luke about the traditional Jedi rules about attachment, and Leia wanted to focus on becoming a Jedi anyway, which ruled out a relationship with Han. Han was at first p!ssed off and wanted to leave, but he was soon visited by a dying Enfys Nest who warned the Alliance that the leaders of Crimson Dawn had set up a secret Empire in the western galaxy. Han volunteered for an extended Alliance mission to go under cover and investigate it, to make it easier on Leia to focus on becoming a Jedi (and for him to also to explore unresolved feelings for Qi'ra).
In an accelerated program, Leia became a Jedi Knight in one year, which made Luke a Jedi Master. They both took on Force-gifted padawans, and one more year later the padawans were promoted to Knight and Leia was promoted to Master. Right before the promotions, the four Jedi had gone on a mission that rescued several Force-sensitive children.
They hadn't gotten any news on Han's activities in a while and Leia found herself worried about Han when she was visited by the ghost of Anakin that told her that Han had been captured but he recently escaped captivity. Anakin said Han still needed help escaping from the Crimson Empire and told Leia where to go. Anakin also said this was the last time he could communicate with anyone as he was moving on to a new phase of his existence and urged her to forgive Han before disappearing. Leia and Chewie rescued Han who told her about Emperor Maul and Qi'ra, Han's Corellia girlfriend who had risen to the ranks of second-in-command of the Crimson Empire. While in captivity, Han had fathered an unborn child with Qi'ra who had to betray Maul and leave to save the child, but Qi'ra would not allow Han to go with her because Han would attract more attention to them, so their unborn child would be safer without Han. Leia and Han rekindled their romance. When they returned to the Jedi, Leia informed Luke, Obi-Wan, and Yoda that she was marrying Han and taking on the role of teaching Jedi younglings (to prepare them for eventual apprenticeship).
Within a few more years, there were enough Masters (with a couple Force ghosts) to form a full Jedi High Council. The former Galactic Empire had settled into three entities: the New Republic and two empires (plus there was a third empire in western galaxy). Han and Leia had a daughter. Leia remained a youngling-focused Jedi Council master but did also serve as a Jedi liaison to the New Republic government.
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FWIW, I far prefer your version of events to the DT, Whill.
You honor the heroes of the OT while also (more or less) moving them out of the 'main character' positions. They aren't incompetent failures that are horrible parents or partners, though they aren't static either, and grow and change.
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ThrorII
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My canon is I-VI and Rogue One
Period.
I do lift from The Mandolorian for players who want a Mando.
But, my I-III is more of "from a certain point of view". The story is the same in broad strokes (Separatists, Palpatine overstaying his term, Confederacy of Independent Systems, Clone Army, Galactic Civil War, Order 66, Declaration of the Empire), which are details that most in-universe might know.
However.....
I really disliked that Palpatine was the master 4D chess master that ran everything. So I disregard that, and use the "public" perception that Dooku and the CIS were really an independent movement. Dooku wasn't really a Sith, just a former Jedi whose ideals led him away from the Order and the Republic. That way Dooku was right....from a certain point of view....and the CIS is the precurser to the Rebellion.
I also didn't like the way the clone army was introduced and just accepted by the Republic. So, if it were to come up in game play, I'd ignore the convoluted Syfo Dias plot and just have the Republic pay to create a clone army (1 year to grow, double aging speed, with a 20 year lifespan).
Essentially, all the convoluted plot points of I-III are tossed out and the "public perception" of things is what happened.
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Cool.
| DougRed4 wrote: | FWIW, I far prefer your version of events to the DT, Whill.
You honor the heroes of the OT while also (more or less) moving them out of the 'main character' positions. They aren't incompetent failures that are horrible parents or partners, though they aren't static either, and grow and change. |
Thanks. I really like the idea of the Jedi attachment dictate being upended by Leia just matter-of-factly telling Luke and the two Force ghosts, 'I'm marrying Han and birthing my own child, I'm in charge of all Jedi youngling from no own, this is the way it is, no debate, no vote, just go with it.' That is very take-charge Leia. And I see it really as the ultimate result of Yoda's choice to not have the twins raised as Jedi (to protect them from Palpatine), so they grew up with family who loved them, and that is a value impossible to remove from Leia even as a Jedi Master. And no, the classic heroes will never become incompetent failures. But this is really the immediately-post-RotJ set-up for the long-term premise for my imagined "sequel trilogy" that takes place a couple decades later, where a new generation of heroes will rise:
• A character somewhat similar to Rey (a Force-sensitive orphan scavenger whose mother is now dead and the true identity of both parents are unknown... Hmm, who could her parents be?)
• Han's daughter with Leia, a Jedi padawan who looks like Billie Lourd.
• A character somewhat similar to Poe in TRoS (a fighter pilot with a smuggler background).
• A character somewhat similar to Finn (a former Imperial stormtrooper captain). By this time the New Jedi Order is large, but still not nearly as large as it was in the Republic days. Luke and Leia are the leading Jedi Masters on the Jedi High Council. Luke is the Grand Master, while Leia is in charge of the Youngling training program and representing the Jedi Order in the government of the New Republic (and representing the government to the Jedi). Artoo and Threepio are Jedi Order droids. Han and Chewie are military attachés to the Jedi Order. The Heroes of Yavin still work together! Han and Leia are happily married (but sometimes Han still defies orders and does what he wants). Maybe Luke has a casual girlfriend (Mara Jade?), but he isn't married and doesn't have kids. I see Lando as a New Republic diplomat/ambassador type.
There is so much more I could say about my ideas for my post-RotJ setting.
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