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There's a difference between alright entertainment and really good art. The early Caananite kingdoms produced some nice looking things, that took skill, but they didn't make really good visual art: they seem to have been great musicians, that's where their artistic talents were channeled and that music is gone forever.
Similarly, Star Wars produces a lot of nice entertainment but I think the only time it really made good art was ANH, ESB, and R1.
These new tv shows are a fun thing to watch like ROTJ, but they're not really top of the Hollywood game, fine art. |
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While I agree with most of your post, I have a few quibbles:
| Whill wrote: | | In TESB, Boba Fett was cool. He didn't do much, but he looked cool and had such potential. In RotJ, his ultimate purpose was revealed: slapstick comedy. He didn't do anything cool except for take off from the sail barge with his rocket pack and land on the skiff. Then the joke started, he missed Luke at point blank range while Luke was busy with Jabba's goons, and died with a burp. A lot of fans thought it was hilarious. A lot were disappointed. |
I don't think it's at all accurate to say "he didn't do anything cool except for take off from the sail barge with his rocket pack and land on the skiff". You don't find it cool for a character to actually hit a Jedi in combat? Luke is at a stage where he took out a Rancor single-handedly and can duel with the Dark Lord of the Sith, yet Boba Fett tangles him up with a grappling cable in this fight. I personally find that to be quite cool, even though I agree with your overall point that they relegated him too much to slapstick comedy in RotJ.
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And Grogu doesn't really make sense either. If Grogu really was a baby, then Mando is a sh!tty adoptive parent for putting him into so many dangerous situations. I get that his species ages very slowly, but he is shown to have an intelligence higher than that of a baby. He should be able to talk. And "babies" aren't trained as Jedi. It makes sense that they have to at least be (talking) toddlers to start training. Luke not only trained him, but offered him a lightsaber. A baby!! Lightsabers are not for babies. I can't see Luke Skywalker being that inept of a teacher. (With the danger Mando always puts him in, the armor makes some sense.) It feels like that they just disregarded all rationality to make Grogu as cute as possible. Ewoks make a lot more sense. |
But we know that Grogu is 50 years old, so not really a baby (even though he was/is colloquially referred to as "Baby Yoda"). I don't think he's even really a toddler, either. They play up his cuteness and all, but it's not like we see Mando changing his diaper.  I think it's fair to say that he's the equivalent of a child (for his species), but how young (for a human equivalent) is hard to pin down.
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| Dredwulf60 wrote: | The rant no one asked for, but that I can't keep from bubbling forth...
My reaction to the finale.
*Deep inhale*
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I too found some of it fun, but agree that there were a ton of logical holes and forehead slapping moments.
So Boba can be convinced (with a moment of persuasion from a teen) to abandon his fortified bunker (for his last stand) to stay and "protect" Mos Espa, because he suddenly cares about this city (that he probably doesn't know the name of a single person in) because *reasons*. But then he brings mass destruction to that same section of the city. And then he BRINGS A RANCOR to slug it out in the same place, bringing a whole lotta destruction porn to this very place he's trying to "protect"?
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Whill
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| DougRed4 wrote: | | I don't think it's at all accurate to say "he didn't do anything cool except for take off from the sail barge with his rocket pack and land on the skiff". You don't find it cool for a character to actually hit a Jedi in combat? Luke is at a stage where he took out a Rancor single-handedly and can duel with the Dark Lord of the Sith, yet Boba Fett tangles him up with a grappling cable in this fight. I personally find that to be quite cool |
Glad you thought it was cool that Boba wrapped a cord around Luke at point blank range. I felt it was too ineffectual o be cool because Luke instantly cuts his way free. And Luke wasn't really a Jedi yet at that point. Palpatine or Vader would have easily killed him if they didn't want to turn him to the Dark Side. And when Palpatine did want to kill him (after making him suffer and gloating), Luke had to be saved by a real Jedi. Boba should be quite embarrassed that Luke just jumped to the next skiff and forgot about him. Then when Luke was turned away from Boba and busy with goon melee, Boba shot his wrist laser at least twice and missed, at point blank range. If Boba was such an bad@ss, he should've been able to hit Luke when Luke wasn't even defending himself.
| DougRed4 wrote: | | I agree with your overall point that they relegated him too much to slapstick comedy in RotJ. |
I wasn't making a judgment that he was too slapstick. I was just mentioning the fact that that was Boba's ultimate purpose in the CT. It is what it is. My point was, he was a cool-looking mystery in TESB that could have turned out to be anything in RotJ. It was pure fan expectation that he would become some bad@ss antagonist. That became part of the joke, because the only time we saw Boba in action, he failed miserably in comical way. In my original viewing of RotJ in 1983, the packed theater audience erupted into laughter at Boba Fett's slapstick. The Ewoks got some laughter but Boba Fett got the most, so I have to say that Lucas, Kasdan, and Marquand were successful in realizing that intention.
Truth be told, I was laughing too. I wasn't disappointed. Years later, WEG and the EU made Boba into a bad@ss despite the continuity issue it created with the films. I wasn't saying that RotJ shouldn't have made Boba slapstick because it contradicts the bad@ss. That's nonlinear. They already made him slapstick in 1983, and every other portrayal of him since then doesn't jive.
But my main point in the post you quoted from was, it was completely unnecessary to bring Boba back at all. We already had a cool variation of Boba Fett in Mando. Bringing Boba Fett back is overkill. Any version of Boba Fett coming back to life makes Mando a little less cool, and we especially didn't need to see them fighting side by side.
| DougRed4 wrote: | | But we know that Grogu is 50 years old, so not really a baby (even though he was/is colloquially referred to as "Baby Yoda"). I don't think he's even really a toddler, either. They play up his cuteness and all, but it's not like we see Mando changing his diaper. I think it's fair to say that he's the equivalent of a child (for his species), but how young (for a human equivalent) is hard to pin down. |
I don't even call him "Baby Yoda." I can't pinpoint the episode right now, but I think there was at least innuendo in one episode of having to change him. Regardless, the fact of the matter is, Grogu doesn't talk which makes him seem more babylike. Grogu makes baby noises which makes him seem more babylike. And no matter how old he really is, he is still clearly too young for a lightsaber. Maybe there are mysteries of his background they have yet to explore, but as it stands now Grogu is self-contradictory, and Luke's actions in TBoBF didn't help matters.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ThrorII wrote: | Here's my issue with "Baby Yoda" (I refuse to say "Grogu").
Yoda was 900 year old in the OT, and had been training Jedi "for 800 years". That implies that Yoda was a Jedi Master at 100 years old.
Baby Yoda, of the same apparent species, is 50 years old. However, he appears to be less than a 2 year old. He doesn't speak - just baby gurgles, he puts everything in his mouth, and he chases shiny objects.
I have a hard time believing that Yoda's species is infantile for 50+ years, then suddenly goes through childhood, adolescence, and then adulthood within the next 40 years.
They should have had Baby Yoda in stasis for those 30 years...otherwise, it seems that 'Baby Yoda' is brain damaged.... |
Thank you.
| Dredwulf60 wrote: | The rant no one asked for, but that I can't keep from bubbling forth...
My reaction to the finale.
*Deep inhale*... |
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Baba Yaga seems pretty good at projective and receptive telepathy and can understand spoken language.
No matter how intelligent a human child is, speech is a fine motor skill that is physically impossible for the very young. Their mouths and throats have to undergo a series of changes to make verbal speech physically possible. Children usually understand English far before they can possibly speak it.
I think because this species is inherent force-users who can use telepathy, the need to develop the capacity to speak was pushed back by evolution.
On to Boba Fett in ROTJ:
This seems like it's straight from George Lucas. He seems to love slapstick. The more control/involvement he has over a SW project, the more of this sort of thing we see. And he has no problem with people missing at point blank range. He even took the trouble to go back in time so Greedo could miss from across a table. |
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Regarding the last episode:
What is the actual status of Republic presence on Tatooine? Do they just do the orbital traffic control? Do they check the incoming transports for illegal goods? Are they entitled to get involved in an emergency situation? Because when all-out war rages on the streets of Mos Espa there's no reaction... 
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| Darklighter79 wrote: | | What is the actual status of Republic presence on Tatooine? Do they just do the orbital traffic control? Do they check the incoming transports for illegal goods? Are they entitled to get involved in an emergency situation? Because when all-out war rages on the streets of Mos Espa there's no reaction... |
Too much paperwork. lol. TM and TBoBF established that the New Republic claims the Outer Rim Territories, but that doesn't mean they have much of a presence there. Obviously Imperial remnants also have a presence, so that would seem to be the main reason the New Republic has any presence (Imperials remnants are outlaws in this canon timeline where the Empire surrendered to the New Republic only 1 year after Endor). Also, when Artoo and Grogu landed in Mos Eisley, Peli Motto said something about just submitting licensing paperwork for the New Republic about some such. But of course, it was a pure contrivance that a two-X-wing patrol just happened to be in space above Mos Eisley when Mando was testing out his N-1. The New Republic does not seem to have established any presence on the surface of Tatooine yet.
My question is, why is Tatooine is so important to the spice trade? Tatooine is not on the way to anywhere. Tatooine was an out-of-the-way world that Jabba established his base of operations on to be remote from all the backstabbing and power plays going on in Hutt Space. Why is there a spice train from point A to point B on the surface of the planet? The only thing that makes sense to me is that Tatooine has spice of its own, but I do not think TBoBF established where any of the spice came from or where it was going.
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| Whill wrote: |
My question is, why is Tatooine is so important to the spice trade? Tatooine is not on the way to anywhere. Tatooine was an out-of-the-way world that Jabba established his base of operations on to be remote from all the backstabbing and power plays going on in Hutt Space. Why is there a spice train from point A to point B on the surface of the planet? The only thing that makes sense to me is that Tatooine has spice of its own, but I do not think TBoBF established where any of the spice came from or where it was going. |
This is like ROTJ. Fun while I was watching it but as time goes on the questions just keep piling up. And not in a fun mystery way. But it'll still be fun to rewatch. |
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Another funny alternative version video similar to others I posted links to recently. I found these very entertaining and it took me back to TV of the 70's and 80's for sure.
the Book of Boba Fett 1985
Though I think the ship should have been talking or something...S.L.A.V.E. 1 (Sentient Logistical Assistant Vehicular Enforcer),
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