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[MadPreacher]

My Version of Force and Force Powers

I wrote this for an upcoming WEG SW game I'm running to make force users to follow roughly the same mechanics as non-force characters. Feel free to critique and criticize them.

Force and Force Powers New Mechanics

Force Skills Are Now Attributes

Force skills are renamed to Force Attributes. The cost to buy and improve these attributes is identical to the other attributes. It takes 10 Character Points to purchase 1D of the skill with a teacher. Without a teacher the cost is 20 Character Points. The attribute is improved at a rate of one pip at a time. The Character Point cost is the number before the “D” times 10 with a teacher or times 20 without one.

For force attributes, the training time is one week per Character Point spent if the character has a teacher. Without a teacher, the training time is two weeks per Character Point. A character must train to improve their Force Attributes, but the training time is reduced one day per additional Character Point spent (minimum of one week training).

When a Force Attribute is improved, all Force Powers under that attribute (except powers that use multiple Force Attributes) also increase by one pip. Force Powers that use multiple Force Attributes can only be raised when all of the governing attributes are raised to the same amount.

For example, in order for Accelerate Another’s Healing to gain the benefit of an attribute increase would require a character’s Control and Alter to be the same value. Thus, a character must raise his Control 1D and Alter 1D to Control 1D+1 and Alter 1D+1 for Accelerate Another’s Healing to have 1D+1.

Force Powers Are Now Skills

Force powers are now the same as Advanced skills, but follow the standard rules for gaining new powers.

Learning Force Skills:

Each die learned in a Force Attribute allows the character to learn one force skill under the appropriate attribute.

A character may be taught a new skill each time a Force Attribute is improved one pip.

A character may be taught a new Force Skill without improved a Force Attribute, but the character must spend ten Character Points.

A skill that uses two Attributes – Control and Sense – counts as two skills when being taught skills.

Improving Force Skills

To improve Force Skills, the character will follow the rules for improving Advanced skills. Thus, to improve an advanced skill is two times the number before the “D”.

The time to improve the skill, with a teacher, is one week training for every Character Point spent to improve the Force Skill. If the character doesn’t have a teacher, then the training time is two weeks for every Character Point spent to improve the skill.

Characters can reduce the training time by spending one Character Point per day cut from the training time. The minimum training time for a Force Skill is always one week.

Force skills are capped to 1D above their Force Attribute. In order to advance the skill, they need to get stronger with the force.

Using Force Skills

Force Skills now follow the standard rules for regular skills. No longer are powers rolled using the multiple Attributes. They use their own skill roll now. The modifiers and other aspects of the Skills are not changed.

EDIT: Link to the Force Powers Sheet to help people grasp this.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!AhQ2Of4bscDGhv5OS4b46TPlk_OTZg?e=MepPb2

Copy and paste the URL into your web browser. It will open up a pdf.

[garhkal]

If C/S/A are now attributes, and the powres themselves, are now '(A) skills Under said attribute, how does that change how they are learned? Do they still pay double if they have no master?
How does C/S add to the to hit pool/damage, for using LS combat?
What of danger sense??
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[MadPreacher]

[garhkal]

So if someone had the LS skill at 5d, control 3d, sense 3d+2, which would be the 'pool' he would split up for damage/to hit..?
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[pakman]

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

I have been working on something similar for a while, and some discussions here (force powers as advanced skills).

FORCE ATTRIBUTE

I did it slightly differently;
* I made Force an attribute.
* Control, sense and alter are skills under Force.
* Powers are advanced skills, with requirements in control sense and alter.

LEARNING FORCE POWERS
They get a free power when they learn Control, sense or alter the first time, depending on force tradition (jedi order, sith, Jensaarai, nightsisters, wilder etc.).

After that learning or advancing any force power is EXACTLY the same as any other advanced skill. (training, cost, etc.).

SIMPLIFIED POWERS
I have also simplified the powers, so that each power has only one primary Skill (control, sense, alter) and requires only one roll.

To do this, I took the powers and looked at the control, sense and alter requirements, used the highest difficulty for the controling skill, and the others just became requirements.

For example;

Accelerate healing
It only had a control difficulty, and it was easy. easy is the second level in difficulty, so I made it have a requirement of a Skill bonus of 2D in Control.

Lightsaber combat
Requirement: Control 3D, Sense 2D.
Player rolls Control for activating it.
Its duration is Concentration(2).

That means it costs 2 actions to maintain.

(concentration is my term for "keep up".

CONCLUSION

Anyway, always nice to see what others have come up with - I am sure I can learn somethings form your system. I had some slightly different goals, but it is very cool to see other ideas.

now, I have not play tested this, but have tried to keep it as close to the spirit of the rules, while trying to streamline and normalize things.

Once i get mine ironed out bit more, I will post it in it's own thread.
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[MadPreacher]

Thank ya for the feedback and reply.

Your system is a bit more crunchy than mine. It's pretty good.

My goal was to unify the force with the rest of the skill system while maintaining the simplicity at the core of D6. This also helps cut down on the force user domination at higher dice pool levels. Consider powers that need up two or three skills makes that power the equivalent of the total dice. So if you have a character with 10D in Control, 10D+1 in Sense, and 11D in Alter the skills could have between 20D+1 up to 31D+1 in the dice pool. Non-force characters can't compete. The best you can get is only a single skill dice pool for it.

By making Control, Sense, and Alter attributes with the powers becoming skills you've just equalized a force user with a non-force user. The force user has only one pool of dice for that skill.

To further balance the powers, by making them advanced skills they cost double over what non-force characters have to pay. That's due to how powerful force powers are.

I still haven't decided if learning on your own should be disallowed or not. That's mainly due to the first force users in the EU not having teachers themselves and had to learn on their own. Luke also had to learn on his own after he left Yoda in ESB and after Yoda's death in RotJ. Also, the words of Yoda in ESB echoes in my mind.

[garhkal]

[Dr. Bidlo]

[MadPreacher]

[Dr. Bidlo]

MadPreacher, I realize you are very new to this forum, but you are not engratiating yourself with your tone. This is a friendly forum and a place for civil and respectful discussion. If you do not follow the forum guidelines and be respectful, you will not be welcome here.

[MadPreacher]

[Dr. Bidlo]

[MadPreacher]

[Whill]

garhkal, I'm sorry I missed the OP getting unreasonable last night, and I was too busy all day to do anything more than lock the thread this afternoon, until now.

Dr. Bidlo, please see my reply to your PM.