Potential MAX Attributes?

[Mamatried]

What is the MAX you can raise an attribute after character creation.

Going by scources we can argue at least +1D, with the Human racial MAX on character creation being 4D and the royal guards being at a 5D DEX.

So what is the absolute max an attribute can be raised to?

[garhkal]

Technically there is none. BY the RAW, one just needs to spend the XP, and if the stat's above racial max, you roll off.. If the roll off fails, you don't get the boost, and half the XP still got spent.
If you make the roll, it increases 1 pip.. So with enough time, CP and good rolls, one could theoretically raise any attribute to 6d or even higher.
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[Mamatried]

So basically, with enough CPs spent and enough rolls passed, you can actually roll vs a deathstar shot to your chest and simply brush it off as a fair attempt by the imps, who this time seems to be upping thir efforts.


But to be a littlebit more serious, I can see how this is not the bigggest issue with the x10 cost to raise attributes, however I do think there should be a max, and I would suggest this to +1D above the racial max, meaning a wookie can have 7D strength....OMG whan that wookie rages.

A human can have 5D as a total potential maximum, much in the "tone" of how the rpyal guards are described, thei move and fight with an almost unnatural speed, making me thing they have reaced the absolute potential maximum for the species, in this case 5D.


So I want to see if any one out there have made any cieling for attibute increases, I personally have a cap at +1D above race "max"

[Raven Redstar]

If you pay attention to Crimson Empire in your lore, the Royal Guards are all clones, their 5D dexterity can be explained through genetic engineering or clone vat enhancements from the fanmade Medical Guide.
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[Mamatried]

[Raven Redstar]

I would say: +1D+2 to keep it in line with maximum gear modifications. I would be tempted to say that characters can only improve any attribute by only +1D+2, meaning if you min/max at character creation, you could be stuck with an attribute below species max.

To be honest? I've never had a character abuse the attribute raise system. I've only seen 1 or 2 characters raise an attribute, and that was usually raising a 2D+2 to 3D.
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[CRMcNeill]

I could see a few professions that might justify an across-the-board increase in an Attribute. Military recruits, for example, would be justified in a +1 or +2 to their Dexterity and Strength Attributes to represent the broad scope of training they receive: weapons, close combat, climbing, swimming, distance running, obstacle courses, etc.
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[Mamatried]

[CRMcNeill]

I'm in favor of open-ended systems, so I don't really see a problem with the RAW w/r/t improving an Attribute. Off the top of my head, there are only two changes I would make:

1) Once the character hits their Species Maximum for that Attribute, all subsequent costs (CP and Training Time) double.

2) On a Failed Max-Limit Roll (player vs. GM), the player may spend a FP to add an additional 1D to their Attribute roll and attempt to overturn the result, but this is not considered heroic use, and the Force Point is lost.

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[Mamatried]

[garhkal]

[Mamatried]

I would maybe say that on a failed roll you can now only raise the attribute to a max +2 and not a full +1D. naturally you can then not raise this further.

if you then fail again the possible MAX for this attrbute is now "only" +1

I raise my 4D to 4D+1 but I fail on the roll.
I can still increase this attribute, but no more than to 4D+2
I make another attempt later and fail again, and now I can only raise the attribute to a 4D+1 capped.
I make the final roll when I can afford it and I suceed, I have now raised my 4D to 4D+1 but since I failed on the two previous attempts I can never ever raise this more.

[MrNexx]

Since I tend towards less punitive gaming, I would probably enact CR's Force point rule, but I would also tend towards "If you fail to increase your attribute, half the CP are returned, but the other half are put into attribute-relevant skills."

So, if I'm trying to improve my 2D Dexterity, I'm going to be spending 20 CPs. If I fail, I get 10 CPs back, and the other 10 go into Dexterity skills. I figure, to improve an attribute, you were probably practicing a number of attribute-related skills, and failure to improve the attribute indicates that things just didn't gel for you into the full improvement, but you still learned SOMETHING out of the process... you may not have improved your Dexterity, but all that running and dancing and target practice (the kinds of things you might do to train Dexterity) at least helped a bit.
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[CRMcNeill]

I don't see where you're getting that. Attributes are raised 1 pip at a time, just like Skills. The failed roll, as per the RAW, simply means that your Attribute isn't raised at all, and you lose half of the CP cost.

EDIT: @Mamatried
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[MrNexx]