Parry

[Savar]

How many to simplify things removed the parry skills?

How did it work out?

[MrNexx]

If I ran again, I think I might.
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[Whill]

[Darklighter79]

This combination was "suggested" in 2nd Edition Revised & Expanded as Lighsaber skill was used for both, attack and defense.
It a good option. Speeds up the combat and allows players to invest their CP to another areas of expertise.
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[MrNexx]

As a note: the new Zorro game does away with rolled defenses entirely; your Parry rating is your Agility times 5, and covers melee; your dodge skill is Perception * 5, and covers ranged.
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[Darklighter79]

[MrNexx]

[CRMcNeill]

My current theory is keeping attack and defense skills separate, but folding Parry into a more general Defense skill so that it covers a broader range of defensive actions, including evasions. Martial Art Forms would be Advanced Skills with Attack and Defense as prerequisites.

While I am a fan of the Dueling Blades concept of a single skill roll representing a full round of combat, someone (Bren, IIRC), made a suggestion of applying that rule to both attack and defense, so that a character can concentrate on one or the other, but suffers a -1D MAP if attempting to do both in the same round.

What I am considering is folding Melee Parry and Brawling Parry into a single Defense skill, especially seeing as how the 2R&E RAW already allows Brawling Parry to defend against Melee Attacks, and Melee Parry to defend against Brawling attacks, subject to Difficulty modifiers.
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[Mamatried]

I think it depends greatly on the intended style of play, if meant to be mostly narrative or meant to be more dice rolling as well.


Example: A parry or a block IS an attack of sorts, the attack of the opponents weapon, in melee this is a shiled vs a knife, sword vs sword, in braling this using arms and legs vs arms and legs

To me removing this in some way takes away the intetion of a parry or defense, to "prevent an attack that would otherwise hit"

Now if we comapre with more narrative systems they have all the parries and block under a total defense of sort, where the comat is meant to be narrated out much more than being supported by dice.

I personally find this lacking unless with a very very experienced table, and I find it lacking because you do -not- actually prevent any attack that would otherwise hit you, but you are simply so and so difficult to hit.

so to me both parry and block ( other interchangable) is two skills that is must have for me, BUT they can be simplified.

I see no need for a parry and a hit skill, much like in melee and bawling here, if you are proficinet with a sword, then this skill is applied to any situation where you use a sword, not just attack or defense, as that makes no sense what so ever.

Roman soldier were trained in the use of a swors and a shileld, they trained in the -use-of this, and -use- included both defense and attacks, some due to reflexes could be slightly quicker than others, but they are still using only one skill, their weapon skill, sword in this case

Now that a jedi can block blaster bolts and others can not.................are we sure other's can not, if they are skilled with the weapon, why not.


Naturally there are weapons like shields that are mainly for defensive use, but sued in offense they will deal a punch even kill.

the spartan shield ( not justhis skill in doing so) was designed so that the edge could be used for thrusts, even killing blows, however they trained at the technique, but not as a distict seperate skill,

you would never find anyone barely able to use a shiled but a master of shieldbashing.....not he alos a master of the shiled in every way.

same goes with any weapon in melee

However a jedi through the force will "boost" this ability, make it look andmaybe feel simple to the user, but that is the force, not the skill.

[garhkal]

[Dredwulf60]

Yeah...

I find the idea that a person could have a high skill in melee or brawling parry while at the same time having a very low or *no* skill in melee or brawl pretty hard to swallow.

Is it possible? Anything is possible I suppose...but it's so ridiculous as a concept that the core mechanics of the game shouldn't be set up to support it by default.

It's like having a chewing skill without a swallow skill. Can you have someone who can chew food but not swallow it? Sure, but it would be a pretty special case.

I have Brawl skill count for unarmed attacks of all kinds and defense when unarmed.

Melee is the same but while armed.

But I'm considering collapsing them all together with melee weapons adding modifiers to the attack and defense the way they add modifiers to the STR for damage.

Not sure about it yet.

[Mamatried]

I have too considered using only defense for both melee and brawl, but founf that these need two.

Ifhting with sticks vs stick is one thing, all covered by one set of skill, on set training and though thechniques.

and while you can parry armed attacks unarmed I would not allow this normally, how manny are backhanding a sword blow?

[CRMcNeill]

[CRMcNeill]

[Mamatried]

I have tried out a systems where I use dodge for all non direct parries or blocks.

My Jedi is fighting the sith, both with lightsaber.

the sith rolls and hits, the jedi noe either rolls an ATTACK to parry or block and thus negate the damage of the attack, OR he can try to side step or anything NOT directly countering the attack with his own weapon, for this I use dodge.

so a fight will to me be ( and we see this in the movies) attack meets attack=block if they are equal, or the "defender" has highest.
The attack hits if the attacker win the vs roll

in a "passive" defense you are not actively parrying, and IMO is best covered by dodge.