Palpatine...."the chosen one"??

[Mamatried]

I have been thinking of this for a long time.

Palpatine DID destroy the Jedi order AND the Sith order actually.

If we look at Palpatine and what he did.
He manipulated the galaxy into the clone wars, using this to gain power.
all while breaking the rule of two, yes both Maul and Tyrannus were overlapping "apprentises".
he killed his master to ensure his plan would work.
He then took Vader as his apprentice, hunting down jedi at random, preventing them from reestabishing the order.
He then begins to order vader to stop hunting Jedi, leaving this task to "fairly weak" inquisitors, again to prevent the order to reestabish.
He forbids Vader to go after some Jedi, jedi that the Emperor would benefit form killing.
By shouldering all the hate, all the darkness him self, he also to a large degree had his "loyal" minions kill many of the most psyhcopatic and power hungry of the imperial leadership.
He also "rewarded" his minions, making Gallius Rax have his 15 minutes of ambition fulfilled, though as a little "sting in the side" he gives him a destroyed empire (operation cinder).
Knowing that there will be a continuation of his empire, something like the First Order.
With him playing his game of strings from the beyond, he manipulates the first order, snoke and kylo, the resistance and the republic into a new war, his prophecy entering second stage.
to create the new force order, the "old" one the original one, the one where jedi and sith was one.........protecting the galaxy form the threat from beyond.

Once Rey reestabish the order, this will be a very different one, a more pragmatic one, a balanced one.
I base this on the new jedi created by luke where also force traditions considered "dark side" not just allied but also joined.
In all it makes for a balanced order, one that can use dark side powers but control them.

[Naaman]

Its pretty well established that "balance to the force" means no dark side corruption/influence "in" the force.

The dark side (no matter how little of it is present) is what throws the force out of balance.

Also, according to GL, Palpatine was dead for good after RotJ. The EU brought him back, though....so ther is that....

[Whill]

[Mamatried]

I actually was not thinking in any TRoS terms at all.

more in analyzing him as a sith, or maybe a very very pragmatic anti hero that justifies the means as long as the end is right, ansd with the various stories about the old raisin, I can find several incidents where as someone wanting the destruction of both rebels and the jedi, more than one "gave them a break".

Now we could at the same time debate if maybe Vader was always a jedi, realizing this for him self when he destroyed jacosta nu's crystal with the list of force senitive children.

Though that can be explained by him preventing other possible replacements, but......


But back to old man Palpatine, I am sure someone as wise ans schooled in the force as him would know that when the jedi and sith were one, the jeedai order, they worshipped both the light and dark, ashla and bogan....it was then a "true" but fragile balance.

[Naaman]

I saw an interview with Ian McDiarmid, wherein he explained that he asked GL if Palpatine might have survived, and GL was explicit about Palps being dead for good.

I suspect he is being brought back in the upcoming film for fan service reasons... which means some retconning will be in order. I'll leave it at that so as not to get too much into speculation on the new film outside of the designated thread.