The Nature of Official Rules

[Bren]

Shield operator is a continuation of the example where we hear that the Captain wants to increase power to the shields among other things. While it is possible that it's use is a typo (as I said, the Optional Rule is not well written), it seems just as likely that power controller (a term that I don't think has ever been used elsewhere) was a place holder while the designer(s) were deciding what skill ought to be used. It's retention may be the typo.

[Mamatried]

[CRMcNeill]

And if the RAW were clearer as to exactly which skill was meant to be used, you might have a point. However, this entire discussion stemmed from the fact that the RAW did not so state. As such, the only skill used in the example (Shields) is the closest the RAW gets to making a specific statement. There is also the fact that, of the available Mech and Tech skills, Shields is the only one that involves switching and distributing a limited supply of power between multiple systems.

And that is as clear as the RAW gets. You're arguing hypotheticals based on what the RAW might've said, in opposition to what it actually says.

If you want to use a skill other than Shields, no one is stopping you. However, the RAW still says what it says, and while it may be ambiguous, it is still as close as we get to an official statement.
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[Mamatried]

[CRMcNeill]

You’re wasting a lot of energy trying to prove the RAW doesn’t actually say what it says. And “shield operator” wasn’t part of an example, it was part of the actual rule description. Go back and re read the rule if you don’t believe me.
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[Mamatried]

[CRMcNeill]

[Mamatried]

lets look at someone fighting in smoke condition.

rules states that PERCEPTION is used, it does not in any way list a skill.
However the skill "search" does give smoke as one of the examples of hoe it is used.

"Search Time Taken: One round or longer. Specializations: Tracking. This skill is used when the character is trying to spot hidden objects or individuals. If the subject of the search has been purposefully hidden, the searching character
makes an opposed roll against the hiding character’s hide skill. If the object hasn’t been hidden, the character simply makes a roll against a difficulty. This skill is also used to spot characters using the sneak skill, such as a group of rebels moving into position to prepare an ambush, or someone attempting to conceal themselves. This is an opposed roll – the character sneak# ing around makes a roll, and anyone who might spot the character makes a search (or Perception) roll."

According to rules and description of Search skill ( Perception)

now from a rules exerpt in "starfall"

"Smoke and other battlefield environments such as darkness and rain obscure targets, rendering a character virtually invisible in some conditions. Firing at a fully obscured target adds +10 to the difficulty number. If the target has been spotted (because the attacker let the target shoot first and then aimed at the blaster flash, for example), the environment acts as medium cover (+2 to the difficulty number). Spotting a character in such an environment requires a Perception check, which counts as an action. If the obscured character is silent and did npt move last round the check is Difficult; if the character made noise or moved last round the check is Moderate; and if the character fired a blaster last round the check is Easy. Stormtrooper helmets are equipped with MFTAS (Multi-Frequency Targeting and Acquis- tion System) as part of their armor sensor array. MFTAS allow stormtroopers to make a free Perception check at 4D when the environment (smoke, darkness, rain) provides cover which obscures their opponents. This check does not count as an action for stormatroopers and does not lower their die codes."


What we see here is that the rules experpt states ATTRIBUTE roll only in the same exact conditions and situations described by the skill search.

so again I say that what ever skill is mentioned in these rule exserpts are meant as examples and other skills may fit the task and would then be resolved very similarly.

again the difference between the nature of the rules and the wording.


Or lets ask, how many differnt skills did Luke use to: Fly his x-wing with shileds up and weapons systems armed and ready.....

I would guess Starfighter piloting for his movements, starship gunnery for his shooting and when he needs to do any shiled adjustments he uses the shiled skill, and a search or perception to spot enemies etc.

However there are examples where according to the wording he would have to use capital shiled shileds??? becuse that was the example.........


so the nature of the official rules is to give examples of how to use a certain skill in a certain situation without denying any option to do diffently.

So I think the above example of discrepency in how search/perception is described is telling on my point that the skill name given in an example is close to irrelevant, it is the mechanical process in how to solve the situation that is suggested.

after all boiled down and it is often stated as well, any and all rules in "this book....insert system here..." are suggestions and guidelines and not in any way written in stone

[CRMcNeill]

No, because the official rules ARE written in stone (or on paper, at least).

But the twist is that, per the RAW, you are expected to make up new rules for the purposes of your own campaign (see my signature).

So, the appropriate context of any discussion of the Official Rules is as follows:

The rules say "x". However, you are not required to abide by those rules.

Nowhere in the rules is there any sort of limitation via omission, as in "if it is not specifically mentioned in the rules, it does not exist." You are reading something into the rules that isn't there.
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[Whill]

This argument is silly.

(1) No, the rule doesn't overtly state, "This is for capital ships" or "This is for all starships." But this optional rule is technically presented for one use with specific ship in one specific campaign. That ship happens to be a capital ship.

(2) This particular rule is inadequately written. It's bantha poodu. Arguing over it is pointless.

(3) ALL rules are optional rules.

(4) Please agree to disagree and move on.

Thank you.
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