Making a ship a home

[Urban Spaceman]

Hello all.
Just after some advice/opinions. We're at a point in my campaign where the PC's have a lot of cash and some time, so are considering modifying their ship.
However, there are some changes beyond the usual more/bigger guns, faster engines and better shields (which I have the prices for).
They want to convert part of their ship to a basic medical bay, and another part of the ship in to a brig.


I can cost up the parts easy enough, but this figure that there's rewiring, power levels and all sorts of other work involved that make it not too dissimilar to converting/remodelling a room in the real world.

So, does anyone have any ideas for how long and how expensive this kind of work should/could be? I'm not a home owner, so can't even base things on the real world versions.

They have a YT-1300, if that makes a difference to people's thoughts.

Thanks for any input/experience people can bring to this.
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[Zarn]

You probably want several things.

In order to mock up a new look for their YT-1300, you could look to this: http://rpggamer.org/main.php?page=cec-designer%2Fcec-designer.php

You probably want to consider a new deckplan as well.

There's also Galaxy Guide 6: Tramp Freighters, which contains some info about what you can do with a ship.

Personally, I wouldn't overcomplicate it. I'd have them buy a medical droid or two, perhaps a bacta tank, and let them have a patient capacity of 1 per stateroom dedicated to the medbay, and one extra for having the room for a medbay.

Similarly, I'd assume that 1 stateroom equals one person brig-space, and assume that whatever room there might be in difference would be dedicated to hardening the brig against escape (welding in plates so that a prisoner can't get to ducts and conduits, changing doors, and so on).

If I recall correctly, one can also convert cargo space to staterooms, at a cost of 10 metric tons per stateroom.

An YT-1300 is perhaps a bit small - I've been a fan of the YT-2400 and the YT-1930 for a long time because of their larger cargo capacities while still keeping that CEC design language.

Breaking this down, I suggest buying an FX, an MD and maybe a bacta tank for the med bay, converting 30 metric tons to staterooms to get a medbay with a capacity of two patients at a time (and arguably room for one in a bacta tank), and converting two staterooms to brig spaces (let's say a STR 9D door and walls). You'll end up with a passenger capacity of 4 and 70 metric tons of cargo, plus a medbay (capacity 2+1) and a brig (capacity 2).

However, removing more cargo space could mean customs might get suspicious... "If this is a legitimate freighter, why do you have hardly any room for cargo?!"

[CRMcNeill]

Luxury accommodations are a hard thing to model in terms of game stats, as there isn’t really a solid rule to reflect it

One possible option is if one were using Dredwulf60’s Stress And Relief rules, with more comfortable living spaces contributing to stress relief during down time.

Other options I played with here include decreasing CP costs for training in a luxury environment, bonuses to Persuasion rolls, and increasing the amount characters can charge passengers.
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

The CRMcNeill Stat/Rule Index

[Dredwulf60]

[CRMcNeill]

Maybe a rewrite to tie it into the three luxury levels described in the Ships of the Galaxy supplement?
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

The CRMcNeill Stat/Rule Index

[Urban Spaceman]

All brilliant advice, just what I was looking for. Thank you all.
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"The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't."

[Tupteq]

You may take a look at Hideouts & Strongholds - many of base modules can be easily adapted to a starship. With Galaxy Guide 6 and D6 conversion of Starships of the Galaxy your players should easily find all what they may want.

I agree with Zarn that YT-1300 may be a little too small. In such situation my players bought HT-2200 and they changed one cargo area to the gym (to train lightsaber combat and stuff like that), added bacta tank, armory, prison cells, starfighter hangar, machine shop, laboratory and luxury conversion. All costed them about 1M.

[Urban Spaceman]

They are basically gutting out areas they have, and refitting them for a new purpose. When presented with all the options, they decided to only do one of the large scale changes (lounge area is a basic medbay now), which is most likely going to be the one they use.

There were other changes to weaponary and systems, an they paid for the work to be done for them, so I have plenty of options for Wild Die failures now!

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"The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't."

[Mamatried]

Sorry to pop in late here, but this thread is actually very current to my SW group.

The concept of luxury and comfort came up with the concept of actually living in the ship.

Now the group has a fairly large ship, a GTHROC with 400tons capacity.

in our discussion we soert of disagrred what would contitute luxury, and what benfits it should give.

If we look at a Limmo, they can be very luxurious, but I would be more impressed with a van sorting the same luxury interior.

and what would a great looking wardrobe, gold taps on the bathroom and the like, a crystal mirror bar, soft leather seats and that.

I would maybe go as far as to allow some bonuses to certain cultutral, persuade, maybe even business roll.

There is however a huge differnce between you luxury cabin cruiser and the 1 billion donner yacht, the levels of luxury.

If we look at the interior of the "yacht" from TLJ, it was pretty luxurious, however the interior of the new falcon from solo wan't all that far behind and quite luxurius

so to me it is more what is luxury, does changing the boring grey panels with chrome really contitute anything other than cretist spent?

Would this not be included in any conversion from cargo to stateroom?

Would a bonus to training be fair for all luxury? what if a freelance TIE pilot did a "pimp my TIE" would this be luxury?

I would give training bonuses, as in reduced time, cost for training facilities, and good even superb does not always mean luxurieus.

so to me luxury is 99% cosmetic and gives nothing in the game other then the joy of the players to describe and bask in the "jooys of earning credits".

[Bren]

[Mamatried]

Other spending credits, is there really any actual mechanical effects from adding luxury.
as in if we add (I think meant as after market) staterooms these are 10 tons each, now are they 12 tons with luxury, maybe 8 tons as some "luxury" can in fact be the choice of material, maybe some very light compsits over the heavier standard etc.

to me Luxury is simply spending credits, swapping paint and changing out the little things.........

My concern however id that if "only spend credits" to gain actuall bonues to rolls, even if situational may be something that could lead to exploits.

[Dredwulf60]

You would probably need an additional game mechanic to gain a good tangible benefit from luxury.

My vice system was made for just such a situation.

It is the same type of idea behind the following situation: My character would like to get drunk and take spices...but since there is no game mechanic upside to it, and there is some obvious potential detriment...why would I bother to have the character indulge?

Same question; my character would probably enjoy living in a ship that is decked out with luxuries, but without an upside its a waste of credits. So why would I do it?

My system allows such intangibles to offset stress. But before it could do that, I had to define stress within the game; what it does and how it accumulates.

It's like creating a problem in order to sell the cure.

[Mamatried]

[CRMcNeill]

For buying it to make sense, there would need to be other advantages.

Another possible option that I included was bonus CP for time spent aboard a luxurious vessel. My reasoning is that expending CP to improve skills is a measurement of time and effort expended while "off-screen," and that doing so in an environment where more of the character's personal needs are met frees up time for the character to engage in other pursuits.
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

The CRMcNeill Stat/Rule Index

[Deacon Rayne]

I like the idea of purchasing upgrades for a ship that allows for on-site training and lower CP costs for advancement. My campaign is very much influenced by things like Firefly, Mass Effect, and Cowboy Bebop. Their Vessel (A mid bulk transport) is very much going to be their home. Can we discuss this concept further or is there further reading I should be doing on the subject?