Simulating Saving Throws discussion

[Kahn265]

As I mentioned in my welcome post, I'm going to be running Starfinder, specifically Dead Suns, in the D6 system. As I look at converting the aliens and monsters over I'm dealing with concepts that d6 doesn't directly support.

First up, Saving Throws. Fortitude, Reflex, and Will. Let's discuss how to handle these in a way that is natural to d6.

My first idea is having them roll a relevant attribute...

Strength for Fortitude
Dexterity for Reflex
Perception for Will

without adding too much overhead, what are some other ideas?

[Mamatried]

[Whill]

[Kahn265]

We'll be doing 2e, I think. Movement is a bit more sensible in my mind.

I thought about the Stamina/Willpower skills, but after reading those skills, for some reason I am not quite 100% sold as they feel a tad diff to me.

Then again, group will need to improve them over time.

[Kahn265]

Btw, i love "Whill" as a forum handle - nice deep cut in Canon

[Kahn265]

OK, just did a walk to the coffee shop and back and thought about it. Since there has to be an increase in ability of "Saves" over time, we'll go with the skills.

Dodge = Reflex
Willpower = Will
Stamina = Fortitude

Updated the character sheet I'll be handing out. Comments and Criticism are welcome.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VVj93x9gSAs35cfXtSjyGLexP2FKPnCA

[CRMcNeill]

Seeing as how D6 already has a Willpower skill under Knowledge, I'd suggest using Knowledge for the Will save instead of Perception.

In fact, the WEG systems effectively uses Saving Throws for everything by not using a hit point system. Regular combat damage could be interpreted as a Saving Throw against Damage
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[Whill]

[Kahn265]

[Mamatried]

If you look at the Ubese (Yrak pootzck) sub species then this is a very good way to show how "saving throws" are integrated and work in 2e rules.

The species have a +1D to stamina (used among other things to reist environmental damage etc)

This is conditional, to a type 1 atmosphere but in relity this is a +X to fortitude save.

Tht being said resisting is a saving throw, and if we look to AOE, like a fireball or a grenade, then I can not see the diference in making a skill/attribute check to negateor reduce damage or effect as any really different than a saving throw.

I was shot in the chest, I didn't take enough damage to instantly die, so no need for a save vs death.
If I did take enough damage to maybe be killed by sheer force, then rolling a stamina check IS the saving throw, I made the stamina check with X reducing the effect by Y.


I took enough damage to die, but my stamina roll (when applicable) made me survive long enough for my mates to get me to a bacta tank etc.

[CRMcNeill]

[MrNexx]

Fortitude: Stamina
Reflex: Dodge
Will: Willpower
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[Naaman]

For whatever it's worth, d20 Saga edition merged the notion of "defense" (that is, armor class) with the concept of saving throws, such that all characters had a "fortitude defense," a "reflex defense" and a "will defense." Any given attack would make it's roll against the target's appropriate defense stat.

This is basically the d20 version of how D6 handles it. Whereas Starfinder (if I'm not mistaken) is based on d20 3.5 (while Saga might be considered d20 5.0).

[Darklighter79]