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Wajeb Deb Kaadeb Commodore
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:01 pm Post subject: In Defense of Templates |
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Me & Templates
When I first bought the game, way, way back when--actually, it was a long time ago... I saw the templates in the back of the first edition book, and I immediately didn't like them. I've always been a GM that approves of player customization when possible. I immediately found (not easy to find) section of the first edition rules that allowed customization even on attributes.
Me as GM & Templates
This feeling stayed with me for a long time. I ran many campaigns and a very long campaign this way. But, as GM, I also went from completely ignoring Templates to seeing them as a good example of a particular character type. I saw them as "easy NPCs", and the templates became a tool for me to create quickie characters when I needed them.
When the supplemental book came out, Heroes & Rogues, I wasn't that excited about it. I bought it anyway. I mean, it was a D6 Star Wars supplement--I bought the entire game line, whether I needed the item or not! It's STAR WARS, baby!
But, I never used the book. Even for NPCs. It still sits, with my other D6 Star Wars stuff, unread. Unused.
Eureka! Templates!
One day, I finally got it. Templates! Templates are good! Templates are a GM's friend! Templates are quite useful!
One of the main reasons that I was initially turned off to Templates was that I felt that they homogenized characters. They made them all the same. If two players wanted to play a Smuggler, for example, then they'd have the exact same attributes--and that's the same as the sample character in the First Edition rulebook, Roark Garnet!
Sure, they'd have different skills, but their stats were the same.
But, after gaining a lot of experience with the game--coming to really know it--I realized that allowing players to customize their characters ended up, usually, with players maxing out their character's STR and DEX.
Why? Because this is a wham-bam-shoot-em-up Space Opera game. This is Flash Gordon and laser guns and big mean bad guys and big heroes that save the day.
Star Wars movies have A LOT of action in them. Any smart player would try to increase the odds that his character survives by boosting combat skills: STR governs defense, DEX governs attack.
Eureka Moment.
I was flipping through one of the Alien supplements, and I saw that Wookiees had a maximum STR rating of 6D. Then, I thought of the Wookiee PCs I have had in my games have always had 6D.
Why? Because the players obviously wanted to play the strongest Wookiee possible.
Then, I thought of the Wookiee Template in the First Edition core rulebook. It shows a Wookiee of STR 5D.
It was then that I realized the value of Templates.
My First Use of Templates
My next game, I decided to allow only the use of Templates from the back of the First Edition rulebook, and it was LIBERATING!
Players still had customization input with the allocation of their skill dice. I allowed some customization of attributes if a player really desired and pushed for the change. But, I kept a handle on it. If the same template was being used by two different players, then I was more likely to allow one or both to fiddle a bit with their stats--to make them individuals.
It's so easy to start a game and say, "here are your choices for characters--which do you want to play?"
It makes character creation a lot faster.
Diversity.
You can ensure that there is diversity and individualism among the PCs by using Templates. If, for some reason, you think that there are several players wanting to play Wookiees, for example, then create the Templates yourself. If you've got three players interested, then make three different Templates--each with a different specialty in terms of attributes--and allow the players to pick. One Wook might have the highest 6D STR but a lower DEX than the other two. Another Wook might have the reverse. A third Wook might have the highest Technical or Mechanical skill and have a STR and DEX that is in the middle of the other two. One has STR 6D. One has STR 5D. And one has STR 5D+1.
Archetypes
Rememer this is Space Opera. The heroes are BIG DAMN HEROES. So, remember that when creating/allowing Templates.
Templates will allow the GM more control over his game. If the GM knows that a major part of the upcoming adventure involves space combat, then he can ensure that the available Templates each have strong Mechanical attributes. In this way, he can still keep the upcoming space combat a secret--still a surprise for the players--and ensure that the PC party will be equipped to experience that action in the game.
Templates allow the GM to control the power level of his game, too.
Give the players a choice of templates and let them customize skills. That solves the players need for indivduality, and the Templates become a tool that the GM uses to enhance his game. |
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Mamatried Commodore
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I always used templates and allowed the players to a certain degree change both some skills and the attributes.
I love your breakdown |
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cheshire Arbiter-General (Moderator)
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, Heroes and Rogues has come in useful a few times. On two separate occasions I had people in the house and we wound up deciding on having an impromptu RPG night with a one-off adventure. I just asked what kind of character they wanted to play, printed off corresponding templates, filled in a few skills for them. Did a quick once-over on the rules and away we went.
So glad I didn't have to do the characters all from scratch. _________________ __________________________________
Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind. |
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Mamatried Commodore
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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This is how I do it usually
I like to change the templates slightly, using them not as average but a "typical"
I also allow the removal of pip, form the attributes and adding pip or D ( if removed enough pip).
This includes allowing for XD to the force skills as well.
To me this represent somewhat the differences between TIE Pilot A and TIE Pilot B
(exampte here are the attributes for the TIE Pilot template)
Dexterity 3D+1 (Changed to 3D)
Perception 3D
Knowledge 2D+1 (Changed to 2D)
Strength 3D
Mechanical 4D
Technical 2D+1 (Changed to 2D)
+1D to allocate to attributes
Here I freed up 3x +1 pip for a full +1D to attributes and can place these as I please.
I can not lower the attribute D, but it can be raised with as many pi or D as has been relocated.
I allow this before allocating the 7D skill dice |
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Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 10402 Location: Columbus, Ohio, USA, Earth, The Solar System, The Milky Way Galaxy
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 14168 Location: Reynoldsburg, Columbus, Ohio.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Since i've been playing/running SWd6, i've loved using templates. Even without attribute mods, you can get very different pcs just based on starting gear/skill allocation. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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TauntaunScout Line Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Having started roleplaying with SWD6, I had the opposite experience when I started playing DnD and such. I looked pretty dimly on the rampant min/maxing that people did in character creation. I love templates. The DCC RPG comes close to this with its "professions". |
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griff Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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SWD6 was my second role-playing game that I played and still my favorite. Much of my high opinion is because of the template "system" and character creation. The other systems where attributes are rolled randomly and the class is chosen after if attribute requirements are met. I like that I could choose a type of character. And I like being able to create a character template and choosing the attributes and appropriate skills. _________________ "EXECUTE ORDER 67. Wait a minute, that doesn't sound like order 67..... No, wait. Yes, yes it does. EXECUTE ORDER 68" Palpatine's last moments - robot chicken. |
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Pel Line Captain
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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I've always liked the templates since 1E. It gave us a basis easily understand and quickly play the different characters. As we became more experienced (and WEG published more books) we modified templates and improved Attributes instead of just increasing skills. Also, if your characters are min/maxing for combat, that's easily dealt with: They need First Aid when they're wounded and Security to bypass locks to get out of a jam. There's also those Knowledge skills that a lot of players like to ignore (this is gold for a crafty GM). My two favorites to work into an adventure? Beast Riding & Swimming. _________________ Aha! |
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garhkal Sovereign Protector
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Pel wrote: | I've always liked the templates since 1E. It gave us a basis easily understand and quickly play the different characters. As we became more experienced (and WEG published more books) we modified templates and improved Attributes instead of just increasing skills. Also, if your characters are min/maxing for combat, that's easily dealt with: They need First Aid when they're wounded and Security to bypass locks to get out of a jam. There's also those Knowledge skills that a lot of players like to ignore (this is gold for a crafty GM). My two favorites to work into an adventure? Beast Riding & Swimming. |
For me.. Cultures, tactics, and survival. _________________ Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk! |
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