Handheld weapon against starships

[Naaman]

[CRMcNeill]

Mostly, it sounds like you are needlessly overcomplicating things by overthinking them. But, hey, you do you.
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[Kytross]

Here's something you guys have probably already figured out, but I haven't seen it pointed out yet.

[CRMcNeill]

I consider that an error or poor choice of words on WEG’s part. Scale modifiers are based on size, and objects do not magically become larger just because they aren’t moving. At the very least, if a target isn’t moving, I’d use the 2D=7 rule to convert the Scale Modifier into a flat value applied to the base difficulty. For example, a starfighter attacking a character scale target at Short Range (Easy Difficulty) would have to beat a 31.
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[garhkal]

[CRMcNeill]

My stance has long been that just because WEG used a particular turn of phrase doesn't mean it is set in stone. There's a reason I picked that particular WEG quote for my signature, and situations like this are why. Never feel bound to abide by WEGs rules when they say something that doesn't make sense to you.

In this case, as I said above, just because something isn't moving doesn't change its scale. A capital ship should not be able to ignore a 12D difference in scale just because its target isn't moving.
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[Naaman]

That might be where we differ: you said scale modifiers are based on size. I tend to interpret it that scale modifiers are based on scale, not size.

There are, for example, orders of magnitude of difference between the largest and smallest capitol ships.

But, I rather believe that a scale modifier is determined by the kinds target the weapon was designed to engage, not the scale of the platform it is mounted to, and certainly not the shooter's scale.

Its one reason EWEBs are so great/useful.

[CRMcNeill]

[Mamatried]

I generally use the scaling system, however I also love implementing the "natural" aspects of randomness.

If we look to weapons and mount scales, we see that these are not scaled like the targets they are meant to engage.
I can have turbolasers on my starfighter, a weapon normally used on capital ships.
Now if we look to the real world for a little, what anti air portable weapon systems do we have?

Shoulder fired missiles and with lucky shots....bullets.

this is really it, not much more.

Allowing a portable missile launcher to do shp damage makes logical sense.
I would how however do this: Launcher missile DMG 7D ( Character scale) but against a ship it deals only -1D damage.

As for rifles and blasters, vs anything up to light freighters there is a chance to hit something somewhere....so I tend to allow for the use of a character point to deal normal damage against the ship .
This happens ONLY if the attack is rolled with MAX damage, meaning a DMG 6D Stormtrooper rifle will need a roll of 36, and then by spending a point that attack then deals damage normally.

Any ship larger than light freighters are generally too heavily armored and deflects blasters of character scale.

I treat E-Web and heavy repeating blasters much like machineguns, heavy machineguns and autocannons....allowing them at a -1D only to be used "normally" against vehicles and air/space craft......though the sheer shiled and armor value of a star destroyer more than negates any such threat.

A TIE on the other hand is often shown taking "heavy" damage by hand held blaster fire....again I allow this at a -1D
And or the MAX dmg +1CP to do normal damage

[FVBonura]

The J8Q-128 Finbat Missile is the highest damage Character-scale weapon in the game.
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[Mamatried]

I belive it is in the Crimson Empire or a related comic where we see Kir Kanos shoot down a TIE fighter using only a heavy Blaster Pistol.

Now what he does is not so much damage the tie fighter as he does by shooting the cockpit "glass" and takes out the pilot.

To me this indicates that we can adjust damage rolls by using CPs or even FPs to emulate this, thoug much of the comics and other media are not really covered by all the rules.

So with a scaling level of anything this is hard to pull off with a 5D danage weapon, and a Starship "hull" of 1-2D and the scale, meaning that to pull it off the roll have to be at least higher than 30

So how can we take this into the rules to make it emulate something like this, as it is doable both in star wars and IRL where people have shot down planes with a pistol, naturally by shooting the pilot more than actually damaging the vessel.

SO what I do is allow cp tp boost the Damage as well as I allow for the Wild Dice (6) to have added effects on the roll, like shooting the TIE fighter with a DL-44. Iin general it will do nothing or anything, if rolled with a wild dice this could change into yes you hit the cockpit window, it is less strong than the plated hull, you pierce the galss and hit the pilot, roll damage on pilot.
this will keep the ship more or less intact, though the damage from any crash would be what actually destrys the ship.

I am also thinking about something like a "power shot" where you tune up your gun to make one super heavy attack at severe to hit penalties, something like this.

DL-44 deals 5D damage, you can reduce your skill by 2D to gain another +1D to the gun damage, this is on top od all modifications.

So by reducing skill by -2D (in this case his skill is 6D, reduced to 4D)
we can add 1D to the weapon damage but it spends ALL ammo in the powerpack.

to this I can (allow) adding CP for damage only, and the cap is the reduction in skill.

in this case it is a 4D (normal 6D) skill roll, it hits and the gun deals 5D damage, +1D for the powershot, and upt +2D for the cp invested for a total of 8D.

Now these are just thought and have not all been tested, but I do belive that on a "ray" weapon like a blaster we could possible drain a powerpack into one super powerful shot, with severe difficulty to hit and possibly even destrying weapon in the process, this is by all weapons with ay jury rig or other modifications comming on top of this

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[garhkal]

Walker scale.. I can't see it being SF scale and still being a hand held weapon..
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[CRMcNeill]

[garhkal]

I think most air craft stingers would get used against would be walker scale..
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