Write up examples of Lightsaber Combat by the rules

[JediJones]

You know how the 2nd ed WEG rule book has examples of combat told in story mode? There isn't one for lightsaber combat, much less one for two force wielders vs each other. Can anybody point me to any write up examples?

For instance:

Jedi Jones rolls (x) to active his lightsaber combat and "keep it up" and his Sith opponent does the same by rolling a 12. Both roll the perception as initiative...

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I'm sure someone wrote up one somewhere, maybe in a campaign journal.

Thanks in advance!
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[Naaman]

I'm not aware of any,but what questions do you have?

[JediJones]

This is what I'm understanding from the RAW.

Jedi and Sith square off. Each would roll their Sense to put their Lightsaber Combat power "up". If wounded, they would have to make another roll to keep the power "up". If he fails, he just uses his light saber skill. Each rolls their perception for initiative. Highest perception roll goes first.

Jedi rolls higher perception, and (cinematically speaking) makes a series of feints, etc. and the actual attack roll (sense+lightsaber) is the real attack. The Sith makes an opposing roll with his sense+lightsaber. If it was a non force user, you'd have the Jedi's opponent roll a dodge, or melee-parry, depending on what they were doing. (leaving aside all the bit about a "full dodge")

If the Jedi rolls higher, he hits the Sith. If the Sith rolls higher, the attack is parried away by the Sith. Then the Sith goes; and he and Jedi make opposing sense+lighsaber rolls again.

Am I getting this right?
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[garhkal]

Other than you are forgetting Both need to also roll their Control as well, since LS combat is a Control + Sense power..

So let's take an example.
Jedi John (the pc) has 7d in Lightsaber, 5d+2 in both Control and Sense. he also has 8CP and 2FP
Sid sith (the enemy) has 7d+2 in lightsaber, and Like Jedi John has 5d+2 in control, but has 6d in sense. He has 11cp, but only 1FP.

So it would go,
Round 1
Both sides roll perception for initiative, as neither has LS combat already up, both need to activate it..
Jedi John wins the initiative roll, and declares 3 actions, 2 to activate the LS combat force power, and 1 action left to make an attack.
As he is taking 3 actions, his control roll drops to 3d+2 (-2d from MAPS), but still succeeds in meeting the 10 difficulty, easily! So part 1 of LS combat is up and running.

Sid sith on the other hand, declares 3 actions as well, but goes ahead and makes his first one an attack, hoping to surprise Jedi John. Since he is taking 3 actions, his LS skill itself drops 2d down, to 5d+2.
Since Jedi john is not wishing to take one of his 2 remaining declared actions to make a parry roll, he is now taking a 4th action to do so. So his LS skill drops to 4d.. And is unfortunately hit, but after spending 2cp, takes no damage..

Now Jedi John gets to take his 2nd action, and uses it to bring up the sense side of LS Combat. However since he used a 4th action to parry, is at -3d on his Sense, giving him only 2d+2 to use, so needs to use a 3rd CP Now down from 8cp to 5cp.. BOO! to bring it up as he needed to hit a 15 TN..
Since his LS Combat force poweris now active, when he makes his last action to attack, he will roll 7d+1 (LS skill), +5d+2 (Sense) -3d (Multiple action penalties) giving him 9d+3 total..

Now it's Sid sith's 2nd of his 3 declared actions.. He realizes that now Jedi John has LS combat up any attacks he makes won't get through, and so wisely declares he will bring up his own LS combat power, going with his Sense side first.

NOTE, there is NO Actual in game benefit for bringing up Sense OR Control first.. its just a thematic thing here!
As sid has 6d in Sense, and has 3 actions declared, he rolls 4d and Easily beats the 15 difficulty number.. Step 1 complete.. He hopes he survives to finish activating it!

Now Jedi John gets his 3rd action (well 4th technically cause of his parry).. And his 9d+3 attack roll, easily gets past the defense of Sid sith, who had to declare a 4th action (just like Jedi John did) to make a parry. Since he does NOT have LS combat up, he only rolls his 7d+2 skill -3d from his multiple actions, so has only 4d+2 to resist the 9d+3 attack.. And thus is EASILY Smacked..
BUT cause sid is cowardly, he pops through 3 of his CP to only take a Stun result Now he's down to 8cp.

Sid sith, now rolls his 3rd declared action (4th overall), his Control skill (which has a 10 diff). Since he suffered a Stun result (and had to spend CP to do so, can't use a FP now), he is down 4d, taking him to only 1d+2 for his control, so must burn another CP to meet the difficulty. Now HIS LS combat power is active.. And cause of that CP spending, he is now down to 7CP remaining..

Round 2
Neither Sid or John feel there's a need at this time to use a FP< so both roll initiative normally. However Sid wins it..

So Sid sith goes first. Since he now has LS combat up and active, he is already at a 2 'action' penalty for keeping it up, so only declares 2 MORE actions bringing him up to 4 actions total (normally -3d, but due to his stun result from last round is at -4d). So his LS skill of 7d+2 +2d remaining from his Sense (minus the penalties) gives him 9d+2 to attack with.

Since Jedi John has yet to act, he luckily gets to roll his FULL skill for his parry, but since he still is technically taking 2 actions as well (in having the power up) is down 2d for that parry.. So he will roll 7d +3d+2. giving him 10d+2.. Things look good but due to several 1's on various dice, Sid easily strikes him..

Sid now rolls damage, a base 5d for the Lightsaber itself, However, cause he is suffering from so many dice of penalties (4 actions and a stun, -4d) only adds 1d+2 to the damage, making 6d+2 overall. However an open ending wild die allows him to stun Jedi John.

Jedi John now gets to act.Yippie!!. He also declares only 2 actions, bringing him up to 4 total actions (normally 3d penalties, but he has a stun now).. His 10d+2 is now down to 7d+2 to hit sid for his first attack.

Sid on the other hand, even after declaring another action (bringing him totally to 5 actions in all), to parry, still rolls 8d+2 to do so, and easily beats back John's feeble attack..

Now it's sid's 2nd attack of two.. He rolls his 8d+2 to attack john, who is at 7d+2 to defend and hits him again.. however cause of his taking another action, only adds +2 from his Control roll to his damage. Scoring yet another stun to Jedi John!... Things are not looking good for Jedi John.

Jedi John gets his 2nd and last declared action, but due to now carrying 2 stuns, fails to hit.

Round 3
So we have Jedi John now suffering from 2 stuns, both of which still carry to this round, but the one stun Sid sith suffered back in round 1, has now worn off..

Both sides roll for initiative again, and Sid wins a 2nd time..
So he declares only the 1 strike. Hoping brute force will beat through Jedi John's defenses.. As he is still maintaining LS Combat this means he technically is taking 3 actions so has only -2d from MAPS. As he is no longer suffering the stun, his LS Attack roll is 7d+2, +4d from sense giving him 11d+2 to attack.

Jedi John makes his parry (7d base skill, +5d+2 from sense giving normally 12d+2, but as he is down 2d from stuns and has LS combat up his parry is at 9d+2. Jedi John is once again hit..

Sid sith rolls for damage, and now since he no longer is carrying the Stun and is suffering 1d less in MAPS, his damage is increased to 8d+2. OUCH

Jedi john, burns through 3 more CP, but still takes a wound. This causes his LS combat force power to drop entirely. BOOOOO!!!!

Jedi john unfortunately took a wound, CAN'T act.. WAHHHHHHH..


This is a quick rundown for ya..
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[Naaman]

Going strictly by the rules as written, your suggestion would be a good idea. There are many, many folks who woupd treat force power activation as one single "turn" even when multiple skills are involved in the activation, and if you are one of those folks, it shouldn't matter.

[garhkal]

[Hwayeez]

I learned that lesson when I finally figured out why one of my more meta-gamey players would always shoot at the most difficult target (furthest away, highest dodge, etc.) first, then take his second shot at something easier (closer range, stunned/wounded enemy, etc.).

[JediJones]

Ah, that's just what I needed. Thanks a million garhkal!
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[garhkal]

[Hwayeez]

[garhkal]

I crusssshhhhh metagaming.. With my pinky!
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[Straxus]

Thanks for this, garhkal, it's really useful to go through this slowly a couple of times, instead of scratching ones head in the middle of an exciting duel.

I was just wondering about what you wrote about FP use. You double all skills/attributes - then take away dice from MAPs. My initial thought would be to subtract the MAP penalties - then double the value.

So if Mercenary Mike is shooting at 4 stormtroopers, with a Blaster skill of 6D, and using a FP. Then using your way = 4 actions = -3D MAPs. Blaster skill 6D x2 (FP) = 12D. Mike can use 12-3 = 9D to hit each trooper.

or

Blaster skill 6D - 3D maps = 3D x 2(FP) = 6D for each shot (which is still good, considering he can potentially take out 4 enemies in one round)

The RAW is vague on this, and I'm a bit unsure on what I like best. Alt. 1 will make powerful characters extremely powerful when spending a FP, and Alt. 2 makes FP almost useless for low-level PC's if doing more than 1 action.

Then there's wound penalties, should they be added before or after the doubling?

Of course, getting FP is pretty difficult in the first place, so perhaps my worries of over-powerful PCs are exaggerated...

[Naaman]

Check out the RAW description of the concentration force power. In it we see that the penalty comes out before die codes are doubled.

[garhkal]