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Many force powers are contested by the will/personality of the target (Perception or willpower rolls).. BUT how would it go down to someone (or something) with true Multi/Split- personalities? Would each personality have to get defeated? Just the active one? just the core one? Just the Highest will/per scored one??
IE, Jedi john is trying to use Receptive telepathy on a mad scientist type, to try and learn where the secret formula is hidden, but unfortunately the mad scientist has 2 personalities, Heckle and Jade.. When he kick in RT, which of H&J's personalities rolls to resist?
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I would say that whoever is in "front" rolls first. If it succeeds, then the attack was forced out. If it fails, and the Willpower of the second personality is higher, then it gets a chance to roll and comes to the fore if it succeeds.
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You've posed an interesting question and I'd love to know the story behind the conundrum. That said, it's my understanding of MPD, that even with 2 personalities/memories the core abilities(stats) remain the same. Both Heckle and Jade should have the same core stat line but might have only minor variance in skill allocation.
Personalities within MPD tend to exist to allow someone to escape situations that cause them issues. For example, if A feels trapped and powerless, B is created as a strong personality who can be powerful. A good example is the movie "Fight Club".
How I would play that is that it would depend on why there's a second personality. If Jade is bad with Women for example and Heckle is there to help him get laid, it wouldn't apply if "they" were dealing with a party of male characters only. |
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I'd say that whoever is active rolls.
On the other hand, I'd say that if the force power being used is similar to one of the personality "triggers" then the use of the power triggers the personality, and that personality rolls instead.
For example, using telekinetic kill on Bruce Banner would immediately trigger the Hulk to come out and Hulk would roll instead of Bruce. |
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MrNexx
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| JironGhrad wrote: | | You've posed an interesting question and I'd love to know the story behind the conundrum. |
Betcha it's just a brain worm he wanted opinions on. He posted a similar question elsewhere. 
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garhkal
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Actually it came from a thread over on one of my ADND sites, in relation to MPD and magic..
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| MrNexx wrote: | | I would say that whoever is in "front" rolls first. If it succeeds, then the attack was forced out. If it fails, and the Willpower of the second personality is higher, then it gets a chance to roll and comes to the fore if it succeeds. |
excluding the second personality needing a higher willpower to try, I agree. |
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A while back, I had an idea for a Force Power that ties in with this. It essentially allowed the Jedi to create a false personality as a mental mask of sorts. Any other Force user, if they tried to use Receptive Telepathy or some other Sense power to try to get a read of the Jedi's thoughts, would encounter only the facade. Because the false personality is unaware of the presence of the Jedi's true personality, it can be used to fake lie detector tests, or even torture, since the facade is only aware of what the main personality wants it to be aware of.
I don't know if I'm explaining it properly...
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Would tht power be used only On the jedi or could he force a 'false mind' onto others?
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| garhkal wrote: | | Would tht power be used only On the jedi or could he force a 'false mind' onto others? |
I doubt he could do it without their permission; the way I picture it, the character's real mind is running things from behind the facade of the second personality. However, if the Difficulty were set high enough, I could see a Jedi being able to make the character's true personality "go to sleep", as it were, leaving the facade personality in charge...
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | A while back, I had an idea for a Force Power that ties in with this. It essentially allowed the Jedi to create a false personality as a mental mask of sorts. Any other Force user, if they tried to use Receptive Telepathy or some other Sense power to try to get a read of the Jedi's thoughts, would encounter only the facade. Because the false personality is unaware of the presence of the Jedi's true personality, it can be used to fake lie detector tests, or even torture, since the facade is only aware of what the main personality wants it to be aware of.
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Hmmm... sounds like a Control power. I would probably put some limitations on the second personality (such as all of their skill tests being at least -1D from the base personality).
Inflicting it on another would be pretty nasty; I'd say you'd be looking at something WAY more difficult than Affect Mind.
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Plus afflicting it on a person is definitely dark, and should push at least one DSP for it, more if the person acts evily while under the power's effects.
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| MrNexx wrote: | | Hmmm... sounds like a Control power. I would probably put some limitations on the second personality (such as all of their skill tests being at least -1D from the base personality). |
That's fair. I could even see the character doing the hiding making his attributes and skills look even lower than that. A PC's attributes and skills automatically put them in the upper tiers of natural ability for their species in the first place, so someone looking to conceal themselves as Average Antilles might dumb-down their mask to 2D attributes across the board, plus a few skills at +1D that are within the scope of his cover.
| MrNexx wrote: | | Inflicting it on another would be pretty nasty; I'd say you'd be looking at something WAY more difficult than Affect Mind. |
Strictly speaking, Affect Mind is exactly what it is. I'd probably bump up the Alter Difficulty by a level or two, though.
| garhkal wrote: | | Plus afflicting it on a person is definitely dark, and should push at least one DSP for it, more if the person acts evilly while under the power's effects. |
Agreed. If done to someone involuntarily (i.e. without their consent) would also add to the difficulty.
I did something similar with Morichro. Essentially, it is the Force power Place Another In Hibernation Trance, but it can be used on the unwilling to subdue them. Rather than write up a completely new power, I just changed the description of PAIHT to say that it could be used on the unwilling at +10 difficulty.
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Does that unwilling use of PaihT give DSPS for doing so?
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| garhkal wrote: | | Does that unwilling use of PaihT give DSPS for doing so? |
No, it just doesn't allow you to do it (requires the target's consent). However, being able to do it without the target's consent was a small part of the prequel backstory for Jedi, in that they could use it to subdue a target without killing them. The only way to earn a DSP was if the target died of starvation or thirst while in the hibernation trance.
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