Speed Rules and Ship/Vehicle Actions

[DarthOmega]

I was looking through the 1st edition version of the rules and noticed they don't have the more in depth movement rules that the 2nd edition has. Would there be any real harm done to the game balance-wise if I were to do away with the somewhat clunky (imo) movement/speed rules and just allow regular movement without the need to speed up or slow down in increments. The obvious exception would be keeping the rules for speeders (both land and air, and atmospheric flight in ships as well) and the like due to maintained speed and such.

My second question is if the group is in a ship, say a freighter, that has multiple stations for different systems, do the actions of say the person operating shields count as an action and thus applying MAPs to the person shooting from the turret, or the pilot making a check to fly around an asteroid?
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[garhkal]

On that 2nd one, nope. Just like by the rules, if the pilot does a full ship dodge, his activity does not impact the gunners shooting.
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[Naaman]

That's the benefit of having a crew. More things can be done at once and in faster succession.

[Tupteq]

[garhkal]

-3d is a good compromise. Though i do remember several threads we have had on that subject where some felt that the pilot's roll should be applied to Their own gunners shooting out..
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[Raven Redstar]

I'd rather give a flat -10 and let them roll their full dice code.
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[Naaman]

This makes sense: when a number of D are subtractcted, you run the risk of reducing to 0 the ability of the crew to act.

I can understand some things being "too difficult" to succeed at for beginners, but even the possibility of a lucky shot is removedwhen the penalty is "#D" instead of just a static number.

[Naaman]

One morre thing: if the pilot need not be concerned with shooting and shields etc... then he probably SHOULD be using full reactions every turn UNLESS his objective is to actully destroy the enemy fighter(s).

Since a full dodge prevents any other actions from being attempted, he can never execute a reversal or "break" away or otherwise escape the enemy ships. He's stuck in the fight until his gunners shoot down all persuers.

In any case, I don't have a problem with allowing a full dodge at a very small (or even no) penalty. Remember that being in a dominant position actually grants bonuses on the attack roll. A pilot who makes a full doddge can't even compete with the enemy pilot for posituonal advantage... he is basically just conceding that contest in exchange for an incrreased chance of survival for one round.

[garhkal]

[JironGhrad]

Doesn't that sort of defy logic? "Ooops, full dodge... can't move..." *ship suddenly stops short*.

[Whill]

[garhkal]

yup. When doing a full dodge, you are effectively staying in that same spot/barely moving, so in space combat, you stay in the SU you started in.. So if you were say trying to get to a specific area for hypering out, full dodging is actually worse for you as you don't gain any SU to that goal.
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[Tupteq]

I allow to perform a move during a full dodge (for both characters and vehicles) as long as it's a free action. So, generally it's cautious movement (half of Move/Space per round). This allows to slowly move in certain direction, but the defense is a priority, so it's more like "two steps forward, one step back" approach.

[JironGhrad]

[Whill]