Rise of the Old Masters - Luminara and Sense Force Powers

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In the Rebels TV show, in the "Rise of the Old Masters" episode, Kanan and Ezra are led into a trap provided by the Pau'an Inquisitor. The remains of Luminara, a former Jedi, were left in a container in the Spire, a high-security Imperial prison in the Stygeon system.

The Inquisitor tells Kanan and Ezra that Luminara's remains had been used as bait for surviving Jedi numerous times.

How would this work in terms of game mechanics? Could someone describe the skill tests and steps required to replicate this scene?

Would Kanan and Ezra have rolled Life Sense tests as they approached the Spire? Perhaps Sense Force? What types of modifiers would have been involved? How did they fail?

Here are the stats for Kanan and Ezra from the Rebels Season One Sourcebook - congrats to Womp Rat Press!

Ezra Bridger
Force Skills: Control 3D+2, sense 4D+2, alter 3D
Control: concentration, resist stun
Sense Powers: danger sense, life detection, life sense, sense force
Alter: telekinesis
Control and Sense: lightsaber combat, projective telepathy

Kanan Jarrus
Force Skills: Control 7D, sense 7D, alter 5D
Control: concentration, control pain, enhance attribute, force of will, resist
stun,
Sense Powers: combat sense, danger sense, life detection, life sense, sense force
Alter: force push, telekinesis
Control and Sense: lightsaber combat, projective empathy

[Whill]

I don't think it would work. That's one of the more silly ideas from Rebels, that the bones of a Jedi that had died 15 years earlier would still give off such a strong living presence in the Force.

[vulture811]

so the sith dont have methods to trap spirits in inanimate objects or bones ?
I mean they never say when she died to, so we dont know how long they had her to work some type of sith sorcery or such.

[crazydanny1]

I have to agree with Whill on this. The episode doesn't make a lot of sense when it comes to what we know about the Force. There's no Sense power that allows for a Jedi to pick up a presence from a deceased person. The closest would probably be Life Sense or Life Detection. But that just doesn't work in this context. You could argue that Sense Force could be bent to fit the senario too, but I really don't like that idea. Postcognition could be a small part of it too, but again, it doesn't work that way.

We do know that strong Force-users can leave an imprint on their surroundings when they die. This is very true of Darksiders. My group and I have played it where the area where a Force user died still resonates with some degree of Force energy, but not specifically the person/spirit. Remains are remains and I doubt that Luminara's remains were left exactly where she died. Perhaps, but unlikely. But I have to degress back to Whill and say that a Jedi would willingly go over to the greater energies of the Force when they die instead of trying to hang on to the material world like a Darksider.

As far as setting something up like this within a game, I'd think you'd have to have a very strong Darksider that could con the characters through the Force in order to lure them to a specific location. Perhaps this is the time when somebody creates a new Sith/Darkside power that can allow a person to mimic or impersonate a Force presence. That'd be a pretty potent power though, especially against less skilled Force users.
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[Whill]

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I have said before, that the Inquisitors would have been most useful immediately following order 66. I'm sure they were being trained during, if not before the Clone Wars. As for reaching Maul level, Vader would be forced to eliminate those that become too powerful, mostly because they would try to kill him to take his place.
I don't think the Inquisitor would have been much more than a youngling style apprentice to the Inquisitor in charge of Luminara.
As for a mechanic for the DS power, it requires the remains of the force user to be kept in close proximity to their place of death to act as a conduit for the DS user to enhance the deceaseds "Force Echo". In that case, the less training someone sensing said echo has, the more likely they are to misidentify the echo as a living force user.

Just making the best of an ill conceived plot.
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[Naaman]

Incidentally, this is exactly how I've run my inquisitors in the fan fic that I've written.

The "first one" was not in any way a Jedi, instead, he was discovered by Palps and trained for the purpose of locating Force users and either persuading them to join the republic (under Palpatine's rule) or else destroy them.

During the clone war, he was also tasked with assembling a special team of Force users to expand his reach and carry out similar missions in various sectors. Some of those recruited to the cause were actually Jedi knights who were sold the idea that they were hunting down "dark siders." Eventually, after Order 66 was given, some of those inquisitors who were Jedi, having been fully indoctrinated, remained loyal to Palpatine, and thus, the inquisition was established.

The fan fic I've written takes place during the purge, and focuses on one Jedi knight who encounters "the last" of the Jedi, and the group of them hunt down and eliminate the inquisition in turn (these are basically Jedi that were too powerful for any one inquisitor to take on his own, and even too powerful for Vader to defeat without careful planning).

I suppose it's kind of like a "cold war" going on between 12 Jedi and 20-30 inquisitors. Eventually, the Jedi are whittled down to 3, but have eliminated all but Darth Vader, who himself has some encounters that he narrowly survives (these encounters serve to "set him up" to be redeemed by Luke later on, which is why I've allowed him to live... mwahaha!)

Anyway, most of the inquisition in my story are about as powerful as low level Jedi knights, but they have resources that make them more dangerous than just a newb with a lightsaber.

Also, I rather feel like whoever wrote the Rebels sourcebook WAY overestimates Kanan's (and Ezra's, for that matter) Force skills... but, whatever.

[RyanDarkstar]

As Whill pointed out, the body is just a shell, "luminous beings are we." The way I see it, Kanan was so fixated on passing Ezra off onto someone else that he ignored what ever basic training he had previously acquired. He should have known something was wrong from the start, but he chose to ignore the Force and embrace his selfish desire. I would assume any other Jedi who were tricked (and killed/captured/etc.) were acting on their emotions rather than the Force.

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[vulture811]

so why are we assuming the inquisitor is the one doing anything to Luminara's remains, Palps or Vader could have been the ones easy enough.

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