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CRMcNeill
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 Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:04 pm Post subject: Skills as Categories |
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I often wonder if some skills are simply too broad in scope. D&D 3.0 and 3.5 solved this problem by making specialization in certain skills mandatory, such as Profession or Craft, in which you had to pick a specific Profession or Craft in which to specialize instead of just putting ranks in the general skill itself. Are there any skills which, in your opinion, are too broad in scope, and might be fixed by something like this?
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Savar
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Scholar should have mandatory subsets.
Think that would be a good idea for languages.
As i just learned about engineering they talked about specializations but they acted as if they are separate skills on the char notes. |
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I have thought the same thing for a very long time and have made some distinction with these broad skills. Artist, Scholar, and Tactics. I had the idea that these skills do not have specializations, but a specific focus, do instead of tactics: squads it would be instead tactics-squads (to look different on the character sheet). If no specific focus is taken the difficulty is two categories higher. These specific focused skills advance the same as normal skills.
Then there is (A) Engineering, as a house rule a character that has any repair skill of 5D or more may get the corresponding engineering skill. IE blaster repair 5D there can be (A) blaster engineering. I also have (A) civil engineering with modern construction as its base skill.
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Savar wrote: | Scholar should have mandatory subsets.
Think that would be a good idea for languages. |
I agree on Scholar, but I'm on the fence for Languages. I don't have a gift for languages, but I know some people who do, and they tell me a lot of it has to do with interconnected concepts expressed in different ways. I'd be inclined to leave Languages as is.
| Quote: | | As i just learned about engineering they talked about specializations but they acted as if they are separate skills on the char notes. |
That's how I would treat them. Advanced Skills that are related to each other (like the different Engineering subsets) are going to have some overlap, but that can be expressed in the prerequisites. I don't think (A) Engineering should be an allowable skill, just the various subsets.
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Unless the character has 5D in ALL repair skills. Doable, but highly unlikely.
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| cynanbloodbane wrote: | | Unless the character has 5D in ALL repair skills. Doable, but highly unlikely. |
Nah, each has its own specialized areas of knowledge. As far as I'm concerned, any degree of overlap would be found in the more generalized requirements of their prerequisite skills or having a high Technical
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garhkal
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| griff wrote: | I have thought the same thing for a very long time and have made some distinction with these broad skills. Artist, Scholar, and Tactics. I had the idea that these skills do not have specializations, but a specific focus, do instead of tactics: squads it would be instead tactics-squads (to look different on the character sheet). If no specific focus is taken the difficulty is two categories higher. These specific focused skills advance the same as normal skills.
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One of the groups i played with did a similar thing splitting Tactics up into squad, ground vehicles, air combat, space combat-snubs, space combat-caps.
With me Scholar should be similar, same with profession/performance.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | cynanbloodbane wrote: | | Unless the character has 5D in ALL repair skills. Doable, but highly unlikely. |
Nah, each has its own specialized areas of knowledge. As far as I'm concerned, any degree of overlap would be found in the more generalized requirements of their prerequisite skills or having a high Technical |
The thing is, though is that there is a lot of overlap with tech skills. The underlying physics and mathematics don't change just because the application changes. |
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CRMcNeill
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| atgxtg wrote: | | The thing is, though is that there is a lot of overlap with tech skills. The underlying physics and mathematics don't change just because the application changes. |
And that is what a high Technical attribute is supposed to represent; natural aptitude and an understanding of the basics. A character with a 4D Tech is only 1D away from meeting the Technical prerequisites for any of the Engineering skills.
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I've never felt that just having that high an attribute on it's own should qualify you to get the (A) skills. You should at least have 1d (preferably more) in the prerequisite skill.
Though looking at all the alien species, the ONLY ones i can find that allow a 5d max Tec are
Askajians (alien encounters page 27)
Bith (Galaxy guide #4, page 22)
Carosites (AE page 35)
Chikarri (AE page 36)
Flivian (AE Page 50)
Given (GG4, page 44)
NH - Ropagu (AE page 106)
Pho Phinieans (AE page 116)
Quarren (AE page 122)
Verpine (GG4 page 91)
and Woostids (AE (175)
So that is 11 races where it MIGHT come up.
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CRMcNeill
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| garhkal wrote: | | I've never felt that just having that high an attribute on it's own should qualify you to get the (A) skills. You should at least have 1d (preferably more) in the prerequisite skill. |
I'm on the fence with this one. Seeing as how you are allowed to roll your attribute if you don't have the skill, the attribute, in essence. is the skill until you decide to specifically improve it.
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Savar
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| garhkal wrote: | I've never felt that just having that high an attribute on it's own should qualify you to get the (A) skills. You should at least have 1d (preferably more) in the prerequisite skill.
Though looking at all the alien species, the ONLY ones i can find that allow a 5d max Tec are
Askajians (alien encounters page 27)
Bith (Galaxy guide #4, page 22)
Carosites (AE page 35)
Chikarri (AE page 36)
Flivian (AE Page 50)
Given (GG4, page 44)
NH - Ropagu (AE page 106)
Pho Phinieans (AE page 116)
Quarren (AE page 122)
Verpine (GG4 page 91)
and Woostids (AE (175)
So that is 11 races where it MIGHT come up. |
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Didn't see the Slussi.. Must have scanned right by it. 
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