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That's a good background you've got going there, I think. It's going to be interesting to see how your players handle it.
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| shootingwomprats wrote: | | That's a good background you've got going there, I think. It's going to be interesting to see how your players handle it. |
Knowing my campaigns it will probably never come up and just remain a bit of fluff rattling around in my skull. Plans and world building rarely surviving contact with the players and all. |
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| cheshire wrote: | Funny, as I was reading this thread I was wondering, "What if there was some republic corps that took it on their own authority to keep an eye on cast offs in order to neutralize them if they turn?"
And here is another thing, if it is a black ops side branch (operating without the consent or knowledge of the Jedi Order), how would the Jedi respond to the existence of a Force-potential killing squad? |
Well that is imo no less abhorrent than forcibly taking kids from families who show 'force potential' so they can be trained..
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| garhkal wrote: | | Well that is imo no less abhorrent than forcibly taking kids from families who show 'force potential' so they can be trained.. |
In Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, it is established that the Jedi do not forcibly take children to train as Jedi. When a child is identified as having enough Force potential to be trained as a Jedi, the Jedi Order asks the parents if they can take the child. The parents are allowed to say no, but it seems they rarely ever did. I read that book.
In Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, it was stated that Count Dooku's noble parents willingly gave Dooku to the Jedi because they had another son to continue the bloodline. I read that novel too.
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I also get the impression that the Jedi compensate parents for their children, too, so there is a monetary motive to some parents giving up their kids.
Also would be the possibility of minor celebrity because they're the parent of a Jedi. I wonder if this would mean that the Order had to make each parent sign a NDA.
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| garhkal wrote: | | cheshire wrote: | Funny, as I was reading this thread I was wondering, "What if there was some republic corps that took it on their own authority to keep an eye on cast offs in order to neutralize them if they turn?"
And here is another thing, if it is a black ops side branch (operating without the consent or knowledge of the Jedi Order), how would the Jedi respond to the existence of a Force-potential killing squad? |
Well that is imo no less abhorrent than forcibly taking kids from families who show 'force potential' so they can be trained.. |
I'm not going to argue that point, though it does make for some interesting situations. Situations where you have two groups who firmly believe that what they are doing is right, and both have mutually exclusive ideologies.
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| Whill wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | Well that is imo no less abhorrent than forcibly taking kids from families who show 'force potential' so they can be trained.. |
In Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, it is established that the Jedi do not forcibly take children to train as Jedi. When a child is identified as having enough Force potential to be trained as a Jedi, the Jedi Order asks the parents if they can take the child. The parents are allowed to say no, but it seems they rarely ever did. I read that book.
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I liken it to CPS nowdays (or cops), they 'make their 'request' to say search your house/car/person, but if you refuse they COMPEL it. Also when you get some govt agents showing up, "Requesting to come in" to you honestly believe the lay person would NOT feel pressured to give in?
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| garhkal wrote: | | I liken it to CPS nowdays (or cops), they 'make their 'request' to say search your house/car/person, but if you refuse they COMPEL it. Also when you get some govt agents showing up, "Requesting to come in" to you honestly believe the lay person would NOT feel pressured to give in? |
This is how it works in my SWU. In ancient days, this is one of the things that made the Jedi much different than other light side orders... others were less militaristic than the Jedi, so they were more flexible about when they admitted new trainees. The Jedi have a real Spartan ethic, up from birth with the warriors. It's one of those "certain points of view", you know... why WOULDN'T you want your child to be a Spartan/Jedi/monk/Jesuit!?!?!?!
There's a less sinister side of it too; Anakin as a slave is a good example. Just like medieval (and current, in some third world countries) clerical vocations. No land, no prospects... it's a good option just from a pure employment standpoint. I've always figured there are more poor/humble folk in the galaxy, and I imagine they'd be more receptive to the practical aspects of a Jedi "vocation" (for lack of a better word).
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Somehow, I doubt that the Jedi are as callous as that. After all, what good is it to oppose anger, fear and aggression, then turn around and actively promote negative emotions by their recruiting processes? Now, the Empire may have twisted things to sound like that post-ROTS, but it would be lies and half-truths for propaganda purposes
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Somehow, I doubt that the Jedi are as callous as that. After all, what good is it to oppose anger, fear and aggression, then turn around and actively promote negative emotions by their recruiting processes? Now, the Empire may have twisted things to sound like that post-ROTS, but it would be lies and half-truths for propaganda purposes |
I agree. The Jedi Order wasn't a perfect set-up, but for the most part they had good intentions and lived up the legend of being guardians of peace and justice in the Republic. They were galactic heroes. I would think that as much as it would pain a parent to give up their child, most would feel it was a great honor to provide a child to the order.
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Incidentally, WEG already has two templates that would fit well with the concept of washouts; the Failed Jedi (duh!) and the Quixotic Jedi. One didn't measure up; the other snapped under the pressure...
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| Whill wrote: |
I agree. The Jedi Order wasn't a perfect set-up, but for the most part they had good intentions and lived up the legend of being guardians of peace and justice in the Republic. They were galactic heroes. I would think that as much as it would pain a parent to give up their child, most would feel it was a great honor to provide a child to the order. |
Heck, I knew a family where they gave their daughter up to go live at a communist block Olympic training center.
They only got to see their kid a few times a year, but they were the proudest parents that ever were.
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| cheshire wrote: | | Whill wrote: |
I agree. The Jedi Order wasn't a perfect set-up, but for the most part they had good intentions and lived up the legend of being guardians of peace and justice in the Republic. They were galactic heroes. I would think that as much as it would pain a parent to give up their child, most would feel it was a great honor to provide a child to the order. |
Heck, I knew a family where they gave their daughter up to go live at a communist block Olympic training center.
They only got to see their kid a few times a year, but they were the proudest parents that ever were. |
Great point. Several Nations on our own planet, do 'force' families to give over prodogies to the 'state' for various reasons.. So why not think the same sort of 'peer pressure' could be seen as getting applied by the OR and Jedi order.
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If you are hell-bent on seeing the Jedi as callous hypocrites, then sure...
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Well lets see. They felt their ways were the law, but allowed many 'exemptions' such as Corellia and the planet Ki-ad mundi were from, got so complacent in their ways that the Sith built up right under their noses and didn't notice it. IMO some of that MAY have been cause they were hypocritical and callous.
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