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tetsuoh
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 Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:02 pm Post subject: Droids and Force Points / Skill Points |
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OKAY - so can anyone direct me to how to run Force Points with a droid?
IE - they don't earn them - etc etc etc?
Because I got this dilemna:
My Droid Operator commands a legion of droids to do their best to fix the engines.
By the number "do their best" would equate to spending any FP they had.
I understand "basically" all droids are labeled Non-Sensitive and as such can only have 5 anyway.
Yet some big named droids - R2 and C3PO - BOTH only have ONE according to their listings.
Now we all KNOW that R2 has saved countless lives and "done the right thing" COUNTLESS times.
- So need a little help here. Cuss what then do I tell a Droid PC that does something heroic? "sorry ya already got a point - deal"? |
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I know I'm gonna get so much crap for this, but I'd give a droid PC a Force Point. If you've got a good mature player who isn't muchkinizing the heck out of his character, then you should keep him on the same even plane as the rest of the PCs. I'd let him take mechanical advantage of the same rule that allows the other characters to very occasionally accomplish some over-the-top heroic stuff.
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| cheshire wrote: | | I'd give a droid PC a Force Point. If you've got a good mature player who isn't muchkinizing the heck out of his character, then you should keep him on the same even plane as the rest of the PCs. I'd let him take mechanical advantage of the same rule that allows the other characters to very occasionally accomplish some over-the-top heroic stuff. |
Are you guys saying that according to RAW, droid PCs can't have FPs at all, or they just can't start with any? I didn't even know but I've never had a droid PC.
I feel strongly that all PCs should have FPs, so if the GM allows droid PCs, then IMO they should have FPs like the other PCs. Maybe limit the max FPs to 1 or 2, but the droid PC should at least have that chance to excel.
I also happen to feel strongly that droids shouldn't have FPs, which is one of the main reasons I personally don't allow strait droid PCs in my game, but here that seems beside the point. All GMs should do whatever works best for your group. As an alternative to playing strait droid PCs, there is WEG's Shard species which are sentient crystals that are interfaced with droid bodies. (Shards can even be Force-sensative, and according to EU canon there were even Jedi Knights of that species.) Just throwing Shards out there for everyone reading this discussion.
tetsuoh, let us know what you come up with for your droid PC regarding FPs.
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Me and my current player (fellow GM) has basically agreed that sense Droid PC's are in fact PC's that FP are a given , how many still maybe debatable.
They are all non sensitive by raw so can only have 5 anyway.
The how many discussion is why we brought up r2 and c3po since by raw they only have one and seemingly ANY big name droid has only one FP if any.... and many have saved countless lives and done numerous heroic deeds.
Not even gonna start in on DSP - IG-88 anyone???? |
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Personally I would allow a droid PC (though nobody has asked to do one in any of my games). I've seen them played and had no issue with them.
I'd definitely make them non-Force Sensitive, but would probably grant them a single Force Point (and not allow it to go higher), rationalizing that the occasional droid can be heroic (just like R2 and 3PO).
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I would NOT allow any droid, even a PC droid, to have force points - ever.
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Looking through both the 1e and 2e books, all i see is it mentioning that droids can't have force powers/skills. I can't find the quote right now saying they can't have force POINTS. But since they are unliving, i can understand why they wouldn't get any.
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It's a mechanic in a game, not a matter of continuity. I say give them the FP and treat them like normal players.
Game mechanics and continuity do not always get along. For example, I don't think there are two different Star Wars games that treat ion cannons the same exact way.
If Yoda can feel the force from a rock then Droids must have some force presence. Wasn't there some darkside brat in one of Barbrah Hambly's books who could manipulate droids with the force? Didn't 4-LOM become force sensitive?
Anyway, there's enough contradictory crap in the EU to justify PC droids having an FP.
IMO Artoo was the main hero in ANH. He's a regular Deus En Machina |
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I don't let droids (PC or otherwise) have FPs. When they would otherwise earn them, I give the 5 CPs.
I figure with the droid focus of skills, and with specialties, a droid PC can be quite good with the extra CPs.
I believe the RAW allows them to have FPs, but they cannot become Force Senstive. |
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It seems I read some time in the past, or maybe its just faulty memory, of an example of using Force Point was C3P-O and R2-D2 dodging the blaster fire in ANH. This doesn't seem to make sense as that would be an expenditure that they would not get get back. As I said, this could just be faulty memory.
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| shootingwomprats wrote: | | It seems I read some time in the past, or maybe its just faulty memory, of an example of using Force Point was C3P-O and R2-D2 dodging the blaster fire in ANH. This doesn't seem to make sense as that would be an expenditure that they would not get get back. As I said, this could just be faulty memory. |
But the droids didn't dodge anything. They just walked through the firefight and just happened to not get hit. So it seems you are suggesting FPs not only allow you to do something beyond your normal ability level, but they also allow you to make it look like you aren't doing anything. Interesting. So in this case, the FP allowed then to roll double their dodge but the result of not being hit in the crossfire is just translated into the in-universe outcome of the humorous luck of blaster bolts whizzing by. I kinda like that idea. Kanan and Ezra on Rebels certainly seem to demonstrate this outcome!
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| Whill wrote: | | shootingwomprats wrote: | | It seems I read some time in the past, or maybe its just faulty memory, of an example of using Force Point was C3P-O and R2-D2 dodging the blaster fire in ANH. This doesn't seem to make sense as that would be an expenditure that they would not get get back. As I said, this could just be faulty memory. |
But the droids didn't dodge anything. They just walked through the firefight and just happened to not get hit. So it seems you are suggesting FPs not only allow you to do something beyond your normal ability level, but they also allow you to make it look like you aren't doing anything. Interesting. So in this case, the FP allowed then to roll double their dodge but the result of not being hit in the crossfire is just translated into the in-universe outcome of the humorous luck of blaster bolts whizzing by. I kinda like that idea. Kanan and Ezra on Rebels certainly seem to demonstrate this outcome! |
Yeah, I've always kind of thought of that moment as the pair being lucky.
Perhaps that's the answer. Give droid PCs (who are the equivalent of Threepio and Artoo) one Luck Point, that works just like a Force Point does for living characters.
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| But then you get into the issues of droids who do become force active and fully functioning intelligences that are ai that can use the force - like droids warped by sith alchemy and rakata devices... |
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| cheshire wrote: | | I know I'm gonna get so much crap for this, but I'd give a droid PC a Force Point. |
Not from me, I've always assumed the silence on the point in the rulebook meant the CP/FP system applied to droid PCs too.
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Even reading through Cyndabar's doesn't answer the question. Heck, even 1e is silent on it. So all 3 systems for D6, from 1e through 2e revised don't ever mention whether droids do or do not gain FP or not.
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