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| crmcneill wrote: | | Is this ship intended to be pre or post YT-1300? If it is pre, the stats seem a little robust. It is equal to or better than the YT-1300 in almost all respects, so, based solely on stats, there is no reason for the YT-1300 to be the better, more popular ship as of the classic era. |
Yes I'm thinking it post dates the YT-1300's production by a good almost two centuries (Cannon wise the Falcon was old as crap for even decdes 'fore han got it... im thinking clone wars dated or a little after, howver i did make it more expensive to reflect its stats advantages.....
| whill wrote: | | But a ship's popularity wouldn't only be based on stats. This VCX-100 has a cost of 50,000 more credits, so the YT's lower cost would be a huge factor in its popularity. |
Also YT-1300's were popular not for what they came with, but what you could turn them into after ya got it.
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ok Fluff/Capsule added... feel free to comment. 
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My take on this is that the ship is probably 81 BBY. How do I come up with this? Star Wars Rebels is set in 5 BBY. The "Ghost" is based on the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress. It was introduced into service in 1938. It is now 2014. That would be 76 years. Tack on the 5 for setting and you get 81 BBY.
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note the vcx series is stated to be released much later after the clone wars........ and so what? lots thiongs have visual cues in sw took from ww2 craft dont meant the are ancient "in universe" the vcx 350 seemes to be just the the second or third inline...... of production.. also just cause newer models are in production at once don't meant they stop a popular model's production....... note the falcon WAS over a century old after han won it from lando. YMMV
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I have been unable to find any information about the history of the VCX-100. I just made a semi-judgement call on how to calculate the time it was in production. If you had some links to additional information please share them.
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| shootingwomprats wrote: | | I have been unable to find any information about the history of the VCX-100. I just made a semi-judgement call on how to calculate the time it was in production. If you had some links to additional information please share them. |
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/VCX_series
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/VCX-350_light_freighter
it says the were oproduced during the yuuzhan vongwar/new republic... going at how the CEC Alpha Numerically names most of of the production lines, and this is a 350 model, stands to reson this is a second or third model in series, there for the 100 logically is a early model, the very first, I can buy the 100s coming out just before or soon after the the clone wars but not that long before...... yes i have that sw gamer magazine....... this seems the most logical conclusion to me.
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Well I see an issue already. "Ships in the VCX series were well armed or very fast vessels produced during the Yuuzhan Vong War. " Which pretty much says the production run was during the Vong Conflict (25-29 ABY) and the VCX-100 was probably not a new ship during Star Wars Rebels which is situated in 5 BBY.
The VCX-350 was released somewhere during 4-25 ABY.
I don't know how often a new design is introduced in a series, but I would guess if different CEC were doing well this may have been a line that was not as popular and had fewer changes over time? Perhaps the purpose of the line and who it was marketed to are different.
Either way, I still feel as though the VCX-100 is probably an older ship than the current Star Wars Rebel time. Since ships have such a long life it could still be the 81 years I am suggesting. There is also the idea that the series production was halted in favor the better selling YT series of ship and that prior to the Vong conflict the new VCX were being introduced again.
Maybe there was something about the series the Empire did not like and production was halted shortly before the fall of the Galactic Republic and did not start up again until some time after the New Republic after 4 ABY. Which would explain why there is a 100 series in -5 BBY and a 350 series at 25 ABY.
Who knows, there is just not enough information to make a definitive answer. At this time just gotta go with what is the most interesting for your game.
Me I am probably going to go with the VCX was an attempt at a second line of of ships similar to the YT with some differences for marketing. Though the line sold well it was far overshadowed by the YT series. The VCX only saw a few different models leading up to its final the VCX-100 in 81 BBY. In a short two years the entire line was suspended to build more of the lucrative YT's.
After the defeat of the Emperor CEC brought the VCX line back. Selling 100s of them to the New Republic navy for use as "liberty ships" delivering much needed supplies to beleaguered worlds caught in the conflict between the New Republic and what would become the Imperial Remnant.
Several new models were designed culminating in the VX-350, introduced in 27 ABY during the height of the Yuuzahn Vong War.
Again this s just an idea and your mileage may vary. Use what you will, ignore the rest.
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| shootingwomprats wrote: | Well I see an issue already. "Ships in the VCX series were well armed or very fast vessels produced during the Yuuzhan Vong War. " Which pretty much says the production run was during the Vong Conflict (25-29 ABY) and the VCX-100 was probably not a new ship during Star Wars Rebels which is situated in 5 BBY.
The VCX-350 was released somewhere during 4-25 ABY.
I don't know how often a new design is introduced in a series, but I would guess if different CEC were doing well this may have been a line that was not as popular and had fewer changes over time? Perhaps the purpose of the line and who it was marketed to are different.
Either way, I still feel as though the VCX-100 is probably an older ship than the current Star Wars Rebel time. Since ships have such a long life it could still be the 81 years I am suggesting. There is also the idea that the series production was halted in favor the better selling YT series of ship and that prior to the Vong conflict the new VCX were being introduced again.
Maybe there was something about the series the Empire did not like and production was halted shortly before the fall of the Galactic Republic and did not start up again until some time after the New Republic after 4 ABY. Which would explain why there is a 100 series in -5 BBY and a 350 series at 25 ABY.
Who knows, there is just not enough information to make a definitive answer. At this time just gotta go with what is the most interesting for your game.
Me I am probably going to go with the VCX was an attempt at a second line of of ships similar to the YT with some differences for marketing. Though the line sold well it was far overshadowed by the YT series. The VCX only saw a few different models leading up to its final the VCX-100 in 81 BBY. In a short two years the entire line was suspended to build more of the lucrative YT's.
After the defeat of the Emperor CEC brought the VCX line back. Selling 100s of them to the New Republic navy for use as "liberty ships" delivering much needed supplies to beleaguered worlds caught in the conflict between the New Republic and what would become the Imperial Remnant.
Several new models were designed culminating in the VX-350, introduced in 27 ABY during the height of the Yuuzahn Vong War.
Again this s just an idea and your mileage may vary. Use what you will, ignore the rest. |
Said VCX SERIES WAS not VCX-350 but eh what ever works for you in you in youre sw universe is whats important.  and very try true that last bit. it weird stuff you just gota interperate siome times.
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| Panzerjedi wrote: | | Said VCX SERIES WAS not VCX-350 but eh what ever works for you in you in youre sw universe is whats important. and very try true that last bit. it weird stuff you just gota interperate siome times. |
That is correct, it is not. I already stated that. The Ghost is a VCX-100. The VCX-350 series you referred to from wookieepedia states they were used in the Vong War.
A modified VCX-100 named the Ghost is flown in 5 BBY.
The VCX-350 enters service somewhere around 25-29 ABY.
The questions still remain:
1. When did the VCX-100 enter service?
2. What, if any model came before the VCX-100 and when did they enter into service?
3. When did the VCX-350 enter into service?
4. What were the intervening models between the VCX-100 and VCX-350 and when were they in service.
Hope that clarifies things for you.
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| shootingwomprats wrote: | | Panzerjedi wrote: | | Said VCX SERIES WAS not VCX-350 but eh what ever works for you in you in youre sw universe is whats important. and very try true that last bit. it weird stuff you just gota interperate siome times. |
That is correct, it is not. I already stated that. The Ghost is a VCX-100. The VCX-350 series you referred to from wookieepedia states they were used in the Vong War.
A modified VCX-100 named the Ghost is flown in 5 BBY.
The VCX-350 enters service somewhere around 25-29 ABY.
The questions still remain:
1. When did the VCX-100 enter service?
2. What, if any model came before the VCX-100 and when did they enter into service?
3. When did the VCX-350 enter into service?
4. What were the intervening models between the VCX-100 and VCX-350 and when were they in service.
Hope that clarifies things for you. |
Well VCX-Series not VCX-350 series the number after the dash is the model the one befor the series..but that is splitting hairs, so my apologies. to me the 100 is sorta the 1st one of of that line, and yes you are correct there is some questions brought up........ since prevously the VCX-350 MODEL (not invidual models the Series of Models in the VCX line which it states.... ) was isuue about 5 after the battle of of yavin, this is a bit of a change...... though reall since a line stays in production a ggood long time in sw, it can be explain it as a short run "Pilot" model to a new line which it seem all the 100 model numbers are in the CECs production scheme... there was mentioned a yt-100 years back, and i remember the being a modified YT-450 listed as a VERY Early model or the YT-line, rarely seen now its so ancient...... now mind you while i don't see the vcx-100 as 81 years old, short time befor the clone wars to a little bit after is reletive.... i can see a little bit before the clone bieng as long a 25-30 years and a little after about 1-3 years in any event most freighter ships are well used and roughed up by into the tenth year of life........ to me, since this is a really new model line to me though, it can't be more the maybe to me 4-5 decades old by yavin...... again a gms miliage may vary....... it best left to invidual gms.
As a Asside one thing to note the is CEC got away with a lot other companies didn't under paplpys rule be cause they 1. It was smart enough to make it self into a major imperial suplier of equipment along the same magnitude as KDY or Seinar, 2. knew new exactly who to bribe, and 3. had the sense not to out right say the suported the rebels and LOOK like they toed the line. Correllians can be shew profiteers it seems......... 
It one of those things i see is best interpeted by an indivual gm as best for their story indeed do agree.... I posted how i intend to do, but yours is as valid as any. 8)
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