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willg
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: Carbonite Survival duration |
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Does anyone know if there is a limit on how long you can freeze a lifeform in Carbonite?
More specifically, does 1000 to 3000 years seem feasable? |
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aegisflashfire
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I would say indefinitely.
The Carbonite system on Bespin was adapted/jury-rigged to freeze Han. A better system intended for the purpose of putting a sapient into cryo would probably be good as long as the power source held up.
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garhkal
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I'd be reluctant to say indefinitely. 3-4000 years is a good max limit IMO.
Looking at Stargate, we see the Ancients, one of the most technologically advanced races out there, still had issues keeping someone alive in a stasis pod for more than 10k years. And that was WITH 3 Zero point modules working.
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Zarn
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Carbonite Survival duration |
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| willg wrote: | Does anyone know if there is a limit on how long you can freeze a lifeform in Carbonite?
More specifically, does 1000 to 3000 years seem feasable? |
One of the more interesting things to me in the SWEU, was the Carbonite Sith Army. There's an indication that the Carbonite Sith Army was at least 4 000 years old, and it seemed to still be functioning.
Another interesting technology was Dreypa's Oubliette. It had the capability of keeping the occupant in stasis for extreme periods of time, at least 5 000 years (a guesstimate based on Celeste Morne). It might have had the requirement that the occupant was Force sensitive.
A third technology was the stasis pods used in the Stars' End facility. Though not explicitly tested for duration, it wouldn't be outrageous that it would range into the hundreds of years, perhaps thousands of years - but the stasis technology used here required much more upkeep than the Carbonite Army, and the Oubliette was completely self-contained.
Depending on circumstance, the Kwa might have something that worked for longer than that, the Rakata had various mind prisons and stasis pods that worked on the order of 20 000 years (Belsavis had active stasis pods in about 4 000 BBY, while the Infinite Empire was downed around 25 000 BBY), and the Gree or the Aing-Tii might have something biological-ish that might work in the tens of thousands of years. Columi might also have something similar, though not their specialty, as might the ancient Sharu. |
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willg
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| aegisflashfire wrote: | I would say indefinitely.
The Carbonite system on Bespin was adapted/jury-rigged to freeze Han. A better system intended for the purpose of putting a sapient into cryo would probably be good as long as the power source held up. |
Not to provoke argument, I never did get what the power source was for, apart from monitoring life functions and the ' melt carbonite/ defrost" function. If the guy is frozen, then why do you need power? And if hes left for long periods, whos gonna monitor him after centuries.
As for melting , you could charge it up later or use some other device/ tool to melt the carbonite... |
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aegisflashfire
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| willg wrote: | | If the guy is frozen, then why do you need power? |
For the same reason it takes energy to keep an ice cube cold in summer.
The purpose of the whole process is to slow/stop metabolic processes. For that you need cold. (we could imagine some other means of suspending biological processes, but Carbonite is specifically referred to as cold throughout the EU and used synonymously with Cryo also indicating cold)
The laws of thermodynamics being what they are, objects find a common temperature with their surroundings.Put ice is warm water, you get lukewarm water and melted ice, and eventually room temperature water.
In order to move against thermodynamics, you must provide energy to the system in some fashion or other. Either you've got some sort of shielding which prevents temperature exchange. (necessitating a power source) or you're constantly removing thermal energy from the system by some advanced means, aka. refrigerating it.
Now the system on the side of the carbonite block probably contained some sort of rapid-thaw mechanism too (imagine if your limbs unfroze before your core (as would happen)-- they'd have no blood flow, no oxygen and yet their metabolic processes would be moving at a more rapid state. The person would die unfreezing by parts.
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willg
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| No argument! Convinced. |
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