Sector army/navy Stormtrooper Numbers

[RexMundiAbu]

Hi , I'm wanting to try and do 2 things here 1: Is to determine how many stormtroopers are assigned to a "normal" sector and 2: how many stormtroopers are generally assigned to each naval vessel .

Something that I have been working on is the amount of stormtroopers that each imperial navy vessel would have on board normally . For example Imperial star destroyers are said to carry a division of stormtroopers each ( which I find to be a bit high ) but in the Rules of engagement source book it says that an imperial sector will have 3 legions , 1 for the army , 1 for the navy and the "moffs own legion" . This really does not fit , as if the navy only has 1 stormtrooper legion - it only has enough stormtroopers for 4 star destroyers ! While the imperial source book says that a minimum of 24 star destroyers are in a sector fleet .

I would say that a imperial star destroyer would carry a battalion of stormtroopers , which still does not equal the rules of engagement source books figure ?!?

Going through the imperial source books capital ships , how many stormtroopers would each ship carry ?

Strike cruiser : 1 company
Escort carrier : 1 company
Lancer frigate : 1 platoon
Interdictor cruiser : 2 platoons
Star Galleon : 2 companies
Dreadnaught : 2 companies
Carrack cruiser : 1 platoon
Torpedo sphere : 1 battalion
Victory I star destroyer : 2 companies
Victory II star destroyer : 1 company
Imperial I star destroyer : 1 battalion
Imperial II star destroyer : 1 battalion
Super star destroyer : 1 division

The write up for the super star destroyer says it carries a corps of stormtroopers , a line corps in the same book says contains 48,541 troopers out of 69,199 men , while the troops carried by the super star destroyer is listed as 38,000 - this clearly does not match up either .

Going back to the rules of engagement source book , I like the sound of the 3 legions split into the different parts and the stormtroopers assigned to the army and navy do not need further explaining ( except perhaps the amount of them ) but the moffs own legion has me wondering what these troops would actually be used for ?

I'm thinking these would be used as bodyguards and maybe for the customs forces ( as such they would be attached to a planet for the governor to use for customs , bodyguards and such ) other troops could be backup for the ISB and compnor .

Any thoughts or suggestions ?

[Mojomoe]

Well the only answers I can give you are for the ISD I and II, which both contain "9,700 troops."

The questions you're asking also have a bearing on the ongoing Star Destroyer project, because that 9,700 clearly can't be all Stormtroopers - it's missing higher military ranking personnel, chiefs, and platoon leaders. Finding those percentages is difficult.

However, I know the Imperial Sourcebook has a lot of the figures you're asking about - battalions, companies, legions, and total numbers of personnel.

[RexMundiAbu]

Cheers for the reply , I'm not sure if I worded my post correctly so I will try and explain it a little better - the problem is not how many troops each ship can carry , it's how many of said troops would be stormtroopers .

What I mean by this for example is the stats for a Victory I star destroyer are Passengers : 2,040 (troops) , what I want to know is how many of those troops listed would be stormtroopers .

The second part I am wondering how many stormtroopers would a normal Imperial sector generally contain - the rules of engagement source book says there would be 3 legions in a normal sector , but this does not match up to anything near enough stormtroopers (imo) .

The imperial source book does not mention any amount of stormtroopers that I can see and in fact contradicts itself on amounts carried for the super star destroyer .

[Mojomoe]

Ah, I see. And that was my second point, percentage of the numbers carried - the oft-quoted 9,700 figure for ISDs - being troops vs. something else.

I believe that number can be divined by asking - what else would they be? Army officers? Chiefs?

I had a similar issue with the ISD command structure - it carries 9,235 "Officers" - but of what rank? Using a guess and check method, and with a listing of Officer ranks (there being 6 ranks from Ensign to Captain), I landed on a rank structure of 1 superior to every 6 subordinates, which gives me 1 captain, 6 sr. commanders, 36 jr. commanders, and so on, down to 7,680 ensigns.

I believe this is the figure you want, the lowest number: once you eliminate "management," how many grunts remain. What you need is the number of ranks in a structure, and the ratio of subordinates to supervisors. The "grunts" in your case being Stormtroopers, at the bottom of the military ladder.

Is that on the right track?

[RexMundiAbu]

Kind of yeah , I like how you worked out the officer quota of the crew but I am wondering more about the carried troops .

If the imperial star destroyer carries 9,700 troops - I recon a battalion minimum are stormtroopers - the rest would be imperial army troops , my thinking on this would be that the star destroyer carries AT-ATs and AT-STs , whose crews are imperial army , so there would imo be other imperial army troops carried .

So the 9,700 minus the 810 stormtrooper battalion would leave us 8,890 imperial army troops , now some may think 1 battalion of stormtroopers would be too few and I'm not sure if that would be all one would carry and was wondering if anyone else had any figures worked out , or any ideas ?

[Mojomoe]

Ok - good news is, I have numbers for you after some in-depth research.

Bad news is, it's complicated and messy, but interesting.

I'm prepping for work now, but I'll post what I've found later today.

[Mojomoe]

Ok, here's what I've got.

1. The standard Imperial Army squad is 8 troops. There are 4 squads in a platoon (38 troops), 4 platoons in a company (152 troops). Line battalions (the standard kind) have 4 companies (820), but there are different kinds (including heavy weapons, etc, which all have different numbers of men.

2. Each of these numbers constitutes TROOPS ONLY, and according to the Imperial Sourcebook, whenever numbers are quoted for a compliment they are line troops only and do NOT include command elements (those numbers are provided in the ISB, pgs 82-88 ).

2. The standard Stormtrooper squad consists of 9 troops. A Stormtrooper battalion is likewise 820 men, but does NOT and WILL NOT include command elements - those elements are included in the 820 number (ISB, pg. 100).

3. Between Wookieepedia and the ISB, it becomes clear that the next level up in numbers (Regiment [2,545/3,546] and battlegroup [10,219/14,410] DO exist for both Army troops and Stormtroopers (the first number is active troops, the second number is total combatants and noncombatants, including support personnel and command - therefore, Stormtroopers only use the first number.) HOWEVER, Stormtroopers apparently also use an outdated term called a "Division," consisting of 9,700 ALL-COMBATANT personnel with no command or support personnel, that is the standard compliment aboard ISDs.

So, given this, let's examine your original question again.

---EDIT----

AAAAAND I just did the math and none of those numbers add up. They ARE, however, STRAIGHT from the ISB. Sooooo... some clever sleuthing is in order.