Is the Falcon RAW?

[denderan marajain]

[jmanski]

That's why I liked the CP method better.
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[Naaman]

A little bit of a tangent, but Ive always thougth that "engineering" skills were at best a way to add fluff to a character sheet.... but the ideas in this thread that give engineering a tangeble, in-game benefit are very good.

[denderan marajain]

[jmanski]

No limit on what you could do, but it cost dearly.
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[DougRed4]

Yeah, even though I think there should be a way of 'statting out' everything we saw (thus if my characters ran into the Falcon, I'd want some legit stats for it), in general I'm okay with the usual cap being +1D+2.

Anything over that (so, like the Falcon) would take a tremendous amount of time and money, is the way I figure it.

[p.s. - and this is a complete tangent, though this thread reminded me of it: I just got done earlier today editing a module/adventure for a superhero RPG. There's a Hispanic group of heroes in it (mostly NPC flavor, so mostly pictures), and one of those is a guy named the Aluminum Falcon. ]
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[nuclearwookiee]

It sounds like we all have the same approach in mind, more or less. Some of us are outright saying use an advanced Engineering skill, others are just saying that improving beyond 1d+2 should be really difficult and very expensive. But isn't that just a description of starship engineering?

There is at least some precedent for both approaches, though. Kind of like how you can use a bacta tank with either a Very Easy Medicine roll or a Heroic First Aid roll. Perhaps a very experienced mechanic can perform basic engineering just like a very experienced paramedic can perform basic medical procedures - by rolling very well.

[DougRed4]

That's a good point, nuclearwookiee. Often in real life, there are more than one way of approaching a problem/dilmma/task, and any of a number of different approaches could end up with a success (sometimes even in a similar way).
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[Whill]

There are a few solutions to this "dilemma".

(1) The rules with the +1D+2 limit to upgrading Hull were primarily meant to apply to PCs upgrading their ship. Lando Calrissian, Han Solo, Chewbacca, and probably any other former owners and crew of the Flacon are not PCs. As a GM, if you want the rule to apply to all starships in existence then that is your prerogative, but it doesn't have to. You could rule that the upgrade rule limit doesn't apply to NPCs. You're the GM. The Falcon can have a 4D+2D Hull just because you said so.

(2) As GM you can rule that +2D is the new upgrading Hull limit and allow it for anyone. You're the GM. It is your game. Change the rule.

(3) Yes, there could have been soon reengineering done on the ship with an advanced skill that doesn't have the same limit. You're the GM. It is your game. Add rules as you see fit.

(4) Published game stat writers are not infallible. Official game stats were never edited with respect to the game system. No game stats are canon, so no game stats are set in stone. If that difference in the Falcon's Hull code is really ever going to make a difference in the game you run for your PCs and you feel the ship must reflect RAW, then change the Falcon's Hull to 5D+2.

It's your game set in your SW universe. You are the GM. You are the lord and master of your game, not RAW.
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[DougRed4]

While I agree with most of your points, I would have a great difficulty with #1 of your points, if I was a player. And I think my players would with me if I tried to run things like that.

For most games, the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" rule applies. So if a rule is bent for the PCs, it likewise gets to be bent for the NPCs. They all (player characters and non-player characters) all exist in the same universe and are affected by the same rules of physics (just as one example).

There are other game systems where the NPCs and other characters work off of different rules and parameters than the PCs. D6 simply isn't one of them (at least, I can't think of any rules that work different for PCs than NPCs).
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[Whill]

[atgxtg]

[DougRed4]

[Whill]

[Panzerjedi]

i rewrote/updated the moding rules slightly. Use/Ignore at Leasure (Know it is a "House Rule" but it is based as heavily and completely as i could on the original ones): They go as thus:

Modification Rules:

Installation Difficulty Time
Very Easy 1 Hour
Easy 6 Hours
Moderate 1 Day
Difficult 2 Days
Very Difficult 1 Week
Heroic 1 Month

Modification Limit: Stats may only be increased one step at a time.
For instance, a maneuverability of 1D must be improved to 1D+1 before it can be modified to 1D+2.

Note: Cost is always based on the original retail price of the system.


Other Systems:

Modifier Difficulty Cost
+1 Easy +15%
+2 Moderate +25%
+1D Difficult +30%
+1D+1 Very Difficult +35%
+1D+2 Heroic +50%
+2D Heroic +65%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
other systems by more than +2D.


Hull:

Hull Difficulty Cost
+1 Easy +5%
+2 Moderate +10%
+1D Difficult +20%
+1D+1 Very Difficult +30%
+1D+2 Heroic +40%
+2D Heroic +50%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
the hull by more than +2D.


Hyperdrive:

Hyperdrive
Old/New Difficulty Cost
X4/X3 Easy +25%
X3/X2 Moderate +50%
X2/X1 Very Difficult +75%
X1/X1/2 Heroic +100%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
a hyperdrive to better than x1/2.

For each x0.1 improvement between the hyperdrive multipliers
given above, cost increases with +2.5%. The difficulty is one step lower.

Example: You modify a X2 hyperdrive to become a X1.6 hyperdrive. It has been modified six x0.1 increments, which gives a cost increase of +75% plus 6x2.5% = 75% + 15% = +90%.
Modification difficulty is Moderate.


Lateral Thrusters:

Maneuverability Difficulty Cost
+1 Easy +20%
+2 Moderate +40%
+1D Difficult +60%
+1D+1 Very Difficult +80%
+1D+2 Heroic +100%
+2D Heroic +120%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
the maneuverability by more than +2D.


Sensors:

Sensor Dice Difficulty Cost
+1 Very Easy +10%
+2 Easy +15%
+1D Moderate +20%
+1D+1 Difficult +25%
+1D+2 Very Difficult +30%
+2D Heroic +40%

Sensor Range Difficulty Cost
+10% Easy +5%
+25% Moderate +10%
+50% Difficult +15%
+75% Very Difficult +20%
+100% Heroic +25%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
the sensor dice by more than +2D and the range by more than +100%.


Shields/Hull:

Shield Rating Difficulty Cost
+1 Easy +10%
+2 Moderate +20%
+1D Difficult +30%
+1D+1 Very Difficult +40%
+1D+2 Heroic +50%
+2D Heroic +60%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
the shields or hull by more than +2D.


Sublight Drive:

Space Difficulty Cost
+1 Moderate +25%
+2 Difficult +50%
+3 Very Difficult +75%
+4 Heroic +100%
+5 Heroic +125%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
the Space by more than five.

Weaponry:

Damage Difficulty Cost
+1 Easy +15%
+2 Moderate +25%
+1D Difficult +30%
+1D+1 Very Difficult +35%
+1D+2 Heroic +40%
+2D Heroic +50%

Weapon Range Difficulty Cost
+10% Easy +15%
+20% Moderate +25%
+30% Difficult +30%
+40% Very Difficult +35%
+50% Heroic +40%
+60% Heroic +50%

Note: Due to current technology standards, it is impossible to improve
the damage by more than 2D and the range by more than 60%.
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