Back In The Saddle

[Quetzacotl]

@crmcneill

I don't like that kind of approach.
It's like having a toy you want to play with but creating it in a way that it's highly impractical and complicated to use it so you just end up not playing with that toy.

Imagin a ferrari (or whatever strikes your fancy) that can drive super fast and has a lot of neat extras with it, but you can only drive it on around 1% of all the streets in the world. Nobody wants something like that.


Personally, I think it should be easier to use force powers, but that they are not that powerful (or that using several force powers give a much higher MAP when using more then one force power).


For example, we simply removed the "concentration" power because it was just rediculous how you could use it so often.
LSC got a nerf. It's easier to use on low levels but doesn't escalate as much on higher levels (keeping it up doesn't give you a MAP but you can only add half the sense/control to your attack/parry and damage).


So instead of restricting the use of force powers by making it extremely hard and complicated it would be better to simply make the force powers weaker as a whole (without making them obsolete).

[Inviktus]

I turned force skills into attributes and powers into specialized skills.

I also moved each power under only one of the three force attributes.

The result is much slower across the board advancement, but almost no MAP penalties or multi-round activations.

[CRMcNeill]

[cheshire]

So, it's only 1/2 the normal CP cost to advance the Force power? That's kinda cool. It allows the Jedi to diversify. But how do you classify those powers that span two Force skills? For example, lightsaber combat (LSC) spans control and sense. My character has a Control of 2D and a Sense of 1D. What is my starting LSC die code and how do I raise it one pip?
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[DougRed4]

I can't be positive how Inviktus is doing it, but from what he said it sounds like he would move any multiple power (like LSC) under one attribute. So, for instance, Lightsaber Combat might be under Control (only).

[garhkal]

[DougRed4]

[Quetzacotl]

@crmcneill
If I have offended you in some way, sorry, that was not my intention.

I only stated my opinion about how to change the rules. I, personally, don't like rules that make things overly complicated or even punish you if you have "to much luck" (the disturbance in the force if you roll to high).

It's not my place to judge any idea of anyone, because every person has his or her own opinion, I just wanted to say that I don't like that way and wanted to give a reason why I don't like it. That doesn't mean that it's not good. I depends on the people one is playing with and that would be the kinds of rules I, personally, wouldn't want to play with. But again, thats only what I think and only my opinion, no offense ment here.


@Inviktus
I kinda like that idea. It would definitely unify the whole system (since Force skills and normal skills are working on kinda different principles).

How did you decide what kind of difficulty the power-skills have and what force-attribute they belong to?
It's obvious for the Single ones (like Telekinesis for Alter or Control Pain for Control), but how about the others (like LSC or even Affect Mind)?
Did you just randomly dicide, take the one that feels dominant or did you use any other kind of approach to determine that?

The only problem I would see here is, that a foce sensitive character could just focus on a single skill, like telekinesis or even LSC, and offset the balance even more (because, as a specialization, you could raise it to a high level relatively fast).
Have you encountered that kind of Problem?

[CRMcNeill]

I got rid of Concentration too, plus I folded Lightsaber Combat into Combat Sense. I got rid of the Control bonus to damage, made the Lightsaber a Str+5D weapon, then made the To Hit bonus equal to either 2D or the degree to which the character has improved his skill above the base attribute (whichever is greater, so long as the bonus does not exceed the character's Sense dice). The biggest change is that I allow it to be used with any combat related skills, including the appropriate Mech skills.

For example, a Jedi with 3D in Dex, Mech and Sense with 7D Lightsaber, 5D+1 Blaster and 4D Starship Gunnery would receive:

• +3D bonus to Lightsaber (Base skill is +4D above attribute, but bonus can't exceed Sense of 3D).

• +2D+1 to Blaster (Base skill is +2D+1 above attribute, but lower than the 3D Sense maximum).

• +2D to Starship Gunnery (Base skill is only +1D over attribute, but is also below the +2D minimum bonus)

With this power, a character can apply the guidance provided by the Force to a much greater variety of situations, but still has to practice both with the Force (Sense skill) and with the weapon / vehicle to use this ability to its fullest potential.
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[CRMcNeill]

[CRMcNeill]

[Inviktus]

[Quetzacotl]

So, all in all, those Jedis can't really use any force powers... Moderate roll with 2D is nearly impossible (you need to spend some CP) and they can't benefit from LSC thanks to the -1 MAP, or am I missing something? (even Very Easy checks with just 1D are kinda hard)

[Under Pale Gray Skies]

[CRMcNeill]

I use an alternate rule where Force Sensitive is an attribute, with a value selected from the starting 18D. It makes starting Jedi more formidable while simultaneously setting the bar higher for skill improvement.
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

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