Warrent a DSP?

[MegaFehr]

Hi guys.

I had a situation last night where my players where on a space station trying to rescue a girl from some slavers.
The station is basically a miniature Nar Shaddaa with lots of crime ect.

So anyway in an effort to "make some" money one of the players decides to enter a battle area in a death match against one of the better fighters.

So the player is getting his a** handed to him by the Ithorian Vibroblade-wielding fighter. So he decides to use a Force Point to blast the Ithorian into oblivion. He rolls high and does enought damage to kill his oppenent.

Now my question is:

Does his use of a Force Point to kill another, and taken into account his initial motives for entering the battle area in the first, warrent giving the character a DSP?
(Also consider that he took "time off" from the mission of rescuing the girl in order to fight to the death for money)

[cheshire]

Just curious, is he force sensitive?
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[DB 2.0]

Has Force Abilities, Yes

Force Sensitive but no Force Abilities, What's the Cash to be used for? if just to have Cash Yes! if it's to be used for a greater good still a bit Grey, think on his motives.

Non-Force Sensitive, No, Unless he intends to spend that Cash to serve the ends of Evil.

[vong]

Force Sensitive: Yes. Weither he has abilities or not, the same moral compass applies to these characters. He could have specified "going for non lethal blow" before rolling damage.

If he knocked the guy out, then they demanded he kill the guy, still a DSP in my mind. He is Force Sensitive, with that comes responsibilities. He willingly entered a "Fight to the death" arena. what did he expect, line dancing? The ONLY way this guy could have gotten out of the situation without a DSP is by knocking his opponent out, and not killing him. You tick "yes" on that sheet to get your "free bonus FP" but it isint free, you have to keep your moral compass higher.

Non Force Sensitive: No. But he isint getting that FP back. And from the sounds of it, he will never have another FP ever again. You have to do something really evil (killing in cold blood, rape, etc) to get a DSP when you are non force sensitive. Both combatants got into the arena in a "fight to the death" mode. they fought. one died. no DSP for this guy.
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[Ankhanu]

What Vong said. If Force-Sensitive (Force Skills or not), it's a definite Dark Side Point.

If non-Force-Sensitive, no. While it's a selfish, evil act, it's not in cold blood. Though he put himself into the situation, it was a kill or be killed situation.
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[cheshire]

I have to respectfully disagree with you, DB, in terms of the use for the cash. I don't think the Jedi would see that as a mitigating factor. I know that the users go around and around on this concept, but I think its fair to say that the Jedi don't usually have such utilitarian terms of a greater good justifying killing for the sake of cash, even if that cash would be used to some higher purpose. Killing for credits just isn't the Jedi way. Regardless of whether the person is an actual Jedi or not, they are still bound by the same moral code. I think that someone in tune with the light side of the Force would find another way.
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[MegaFehr]

Thanks for the replys guys.

The character isn't Force Sensitive, so I guess the answer would be a 'No' for a DSP, right?

[Esoomian]

Didn't he spend a force point in order to kill someone in a death match that he entered voluntarily?

If so then I'd be leaning towards yes for a DSP.

Without the force point I'd say he gets away with it even if he was downright nasty in the fight and took his time delivering the death blow.
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[garhkal]

I'm with esomian. His use of a FP to do evil (kill by voluntarying entering a death match) warrants a DSP.
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[Raven Redstar]

I agree with gar & Esoomian on this one. He voluntarily entered the death match. Placing yourself in a fight then using the force to kill your opponent warrants a dark side point.
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[DB 2.0]

Heck I would have given him a DSP even without using the FP or any Force Abilities if he had Force Abilities, and I use more the Je'daii play book as a moral barometer over the "Modern" Jedi playbook.

[Volar the Healer]

He gets a darkside point.

He used the force to murder for profit.

I'd give him a darkside point whether he is force sensitive or not. Murder is just about the only way a non-force sensitive character can get a dark side point in my game. The motivation for the profit is irrelevent. This was a crime against the force.
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[Fallon Kell]

I recognize I'm considered soft on people as far as DSPs go, but here's how I see it:

Force user: Yes. Why are you fighting for money anyways?

Force sensitive: No. You don't get the point back, but you get no DSP. You're allowed to fight for money, despite the fact that you should know better. You shouldn't have gotten yourself into the situation to begin with, but you did and you had to defend yourself or risk death. The opponent knew the risks, and he was a willing participant, too. Sometimes people die doing stupid things.

Non Force sensitive: No, but you don't earn the point back either. You're supposed to do stuff like gladiate for money, and your Force Points are there to save your life if you find you've gotten in too deep.
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[Zarm R'keeg]

I was all set to agree with Esoomian and garhkal, but Fallon Kell makes an excellent point. The situation is borderline... but as long as he wasn't using a force power to kill, just to enhance his skill, I think Fallon's rationale works for me.
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