Jedi Stats

Gry Sarth · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:39 am Post subject:

I deal with it the same way Vanion does. Multiple action penalties reduce the lightsaber damage. I certainly don't reduce a normal browling or melee damage because of multiple action penalties, but that's a different thing. You character's strength is always the same, unless he's injured, so the damage shouldn't change. Now, the extra damage a saber does is due to the concentration of the jedi, focusing the force to enhance the saber's power, and that's something that takes concentration. So the more things you do in a round, the less you'll be able to concentrate to give your sabre that extra punch.

Endwyn · Commander Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 481

What it comes down to is the force skill is what is being penilized and causing the damage to get reduced. There's a good example in R&E under the power.
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garhkal · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:11 am Post subject:

MAPS don't reduce the lightsabers damage, but the bonus coming from control.
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Lord Aramus · Sub-Lieutenant Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 61

Thats the way I have always played it. MAPS apply to control dice on damage just as they do on an action roll.
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Vanion · Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:47 am Post subject:

Personally, I think of the D6 Jedi much like a D&D Spellcaster. At low levels you're pretty much a hinderance to the group, but at high levels you kick @&&! One of the players in my group is playing a Rebellion era Failed Jedi. Because he only starts out with two force powers and he has no master, he's having trouble keeping up with the other PCs. He's pretty much decided to stop dropping CPs in his two force skills and focus on his regular Dex-based lightsaber skill.

**Keep in mind that a lightsaber is basically as difficult to use as a vibroaxe, and does less 'unmodified' damage when the vibroaxe is in the hands of a character with 4 or 5D strength.
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garhkal · Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:57 am Post subject:

Agreed.

Heck i have seen several characters who took the LS skill (dex) but are not even Force sensitive, let alone jedi.

Yes, they do realise they cannot parry bolts, but still the intimidation value and the shear usefulness of them is not overlooked.
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KageRyu · Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject:

I concur, MAPs do decrease the available control dice to put into Lightsaber damage, as the jedi is distracted. For a Jedi focus and control are everything.

I have also noticed, that any time a discussion comes up involving a Jedi and his game balance, some one breaks out the same dead horse of lightsaber combat and proceeds to flog it. Every time, though, people miss several obvious points which I have pointed out numerous times.

• A Jedi's lightsaber combat skill is not the do all, end all, definition of a Jedi, and is really only relevant if you are running a combat heavy campaign. Most of the useful Jedi powers outside lightsaber combat have really high target numbers, and only become achievable in the 4D range.
• A Jedi's lightsaber skill is really only useful if the Jedi can reach close combat with it, which is not always the case. If all a Jedi has is his lightsaber, and the enemy is smart enough to maintain range, then the Jedi will eventually be toast.
• All such examples usually make statements or assumptions that the Jedi is doing nothing but dumping skill points into his force powers and lightsaber. Any character who focuses on just one skill can become just as unbalanced. It costs a Jedi more to become as profficient with lightsaber combat as he needs to increse 3 seperate abilities, two of which are usually double cost...meanwhile Schlubba Fette can specialize in Heavy Blaster (reducing the cost by half) and just dump every CP in one skill until there is no possible way the Jedi could parry!
• And lastlye...with this dead horse...it is always mentioned the Jedi with 5 or 6D in force skill would call 5 actions at blah blah blah dice doing whopping buttload damge... How? After MAPs a 5D Control 5D sense jedi with 5 actions would have 0D and be unable to raise or keep up his lightsaber combat, thus no adding sense to lightsaber, no adding control to damage... While a 6D Control 6D Sense would have 1D left, so how does he make that moderate control difficulty to raise the power?

Come on people, Jedi are more than walking glowsticks. If your gonna complain about imbalance and keep using the same argument to support it, go read the rules that support that argument before breaking it out please?
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Vanion · Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:46 am Post subject:

Amen!!!

Well said, KageRyu! People tend to focus on the combat abilities of characters too much. They see the LC skill and think that the Jedi are uberpowerful because of the "POTENTIAL" damage that it could deal... often failing to see the details and the MAPs involved to pull it off.
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TarlSS · Sub-Lieutenant Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 60

No. The Jedi are overpowered because they can easily match the combat capabilities of other characters, in addition to matching non-combat skills.

Case in point-
Concentration. In combination with any other non combat skill, that's a whopping 3D (including MAPS) to any single action. It enables a Jedi to become ridiculously versatile. IF for instance, he needed to slice a computer or pull up a mine or hell, learn tactics, that's like a whopping 12+ extra character points assuming in the unlikely case that said Jedi is starting with 1D.

Also, Jedi Powers bypass completely skills that would take other character ages to learn. For example, Translate, Control Disease, Accelerate healing. A standard med tech/scholar would have to pay through the nose to get those effects (IN ADDITION to concentration) making them nigh useless.

A Jedi can specialize far more than any character and remain more versatile. This is why they are unbalanced, this is why there is a need in D6 to crack down on them.

KageRyu · Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:

Vanion · Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject:

entropy · Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: MAPS and Lightsaber damage

I realize that I am clearly in the minority here, and I certainly understand and agree with your view from a game balance standpoint, but then I have another question: If you reduce control dice to damage for multiple action penalties, do you also double control dice to damage for the use of a force point?

Lord Aramus · Sub-Lieutenant Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 61

I double damage on force point rolls.. but not just for jedi Razz

its our most common (heroic act of self sacrifice) moment occurance.

I had an xwing pilot once who burned a force point on his damage roll with a heavy bomb (took the stats from the computer game "tie fighter" and he planted it into the hangar bay of a star destroyer while its shields were momentarily dropped so a wing of tie fighters could be launched.

it was burning for weeks in our campaign Razz

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