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Thanks everyone. Sort of back (though things still are iffy).
Getting back to converting notes into digital documents. Though the level of painmedication I'm on makes it somehwat tricky (and my spelling was never great to begin with).
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KageRyu
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Got the Yahoo Group up for those who want to pool resources, so we can use it as a central nexus to interchange files for the sourcebook - this way we (anyone on the project) can all access the files, even should one of us drop out.
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/RancorPitBooks/
Currently have it set so all memberships must be approved, so if you could PMme here, or send an email with your sign in to let me know who you are over here so I can approve them. I will need some help with moderating (creating folders, charts, databases for the group) I have a few people in mind, but will see who volunteers (would be great if it's someone whose done a book or two for experience purposes - even a fan book). I should mention I'm still configuring the group yet, need to finish a few renders for 3D projects that were requested before my medicl leave here.
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Zarm R'keeg
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So, on another thread Guardian_A offered
| Guardian_A wrote: | | If you give us a list of what all you are looking for, I'm sure we can add it to our to-do list. |
Got me thinking- my original search was for stats on a Teek, a Qiraash, and a Glottalphib. But it got me thinking about what kinds of sourcebooks I'd like to see.
So, just as food for thought, this is what I came up with:
An 'early Star Wars' sourcebook, covering some of the earlier and elsser-known (and more insane) EU, such as:
-The Holiday Special (From Jefferson Starship's actual in-universe role to stats for aliens that drink through a hole-in-the-head and fast-motion slow-motion Amorphian, etc.)
-The Ewok movies (including Teek's stats, and more biographical data- where were the Towanis from? What happened to Noa (my personal theory being he joined the Rebellion- I mean, he has no marketable skills, his knowledge is decades out of date, and his primary experience is construction IEDs; where else would he go?)- heck, I even have a fantastic ret-con involving Maytoc Kollene from Abduction of the Crying Dawn Singer and the Worthless Fool)
-The Marvels Comics (From Han Solo's Starhoppers, To Valance's hunters (especially unidentified oddballs like Fud and Dafi), to Orman Tagge, to Hoojibs, to expanding on the companion galaxy that the Nagai and Toffs came from (And as a part of that, surely there must be a connection between Star Wars: The Fatal Allinace's Hex Droids, fought at the edge of the galaxy, and Vuffi Raa's Silentium from outside the galaxy...!))
-The early newspaper strips- unusual stories like the fungi-forrests of Kessel, the Ion Ring weather control sattelite, the brilliant inventor Renn Volz, etc.
-While I have lesser interest in it, material on the Ewoks and Droids cartoons might be appropriate here, too (and who doesn't want more of that proto-Kyle Katarn with the awesome surname, Mungo Baobab?)
Now, if all of that (minus aspects of each that have already been covered in other sourcebooks) seems like too much for one project, it would be easy to break up into an 'Early TV Star Wars' (Holiday Special, Ewok Movies, and toons) and 'Early Star Wars Comics' (Newspaper strips and Marvel comics). Or, into an 'Ewok Sourcebook' (TV movies and the Cartoon) and 'Early EU Sourcebook' (everything else).
In addition, little odds 'n ends:
-Fan stats for every alien marked with an asterisk ("stats not available") in Gry Sarth's alien sourcebook... and maybe a few more from the EU, like the aforemention Glottalphibs, Waru, and, if it hasn't been covered, stats and expanded info for every monster in Dejarik (yes, even the fictional Molatar- it's gotta be based on SOMETHING real, right? Maybe Tilotny threw it as a shape sometime...). Plus Beldorion the Hutt- I'd be really interested to see what his stats would look like.
-The entry's from StarWars.com's "What's the Story" contest- they all have backstories, now they need stats!  (And, though it would take a little research, if there's any species, major characters, or vehicles unstated from Decipher's card game line... like the cnatina patron they created based on a dianoga, and the other stick thin one, whom I've been trying to find for the last 45 minutes but can't because a bunch of fickin' idiots on Wookiepedia have deleted the list of Cnatina Patrons list saying that it's stupid and no one would ever be looking for a list of cantina patrons and mocking it as equivalent to 'list of people who've been on Coruscant'...!!!!!!!!! AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!! ...okay, calm, deep breaths...)
EDIT: Found 'em! Brangus Glee and Niado Duegad:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brangus_Glee
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Niado_Duegad
-And heck, if you want to get really geeky... maybe even some of the more popular Star Wars Fan Films and Fan Audios... though that one would be a project for only the most obscure of fans.
Anyhow, those are my brainstorms- that's what I'd love to see and use in the WEG universe.
Meanwhile, I'd love to help out with this project... I have little artistic talent, and I'm rubbish with balanced stats, but in terms of creative writing, bios, backstories, expanded backgrounds- as well as, for some of the more esoteric suggestions above, research, screencaps, and digging into the nitty-gritty to pull out available info- so if there's any way I can contribute, I'd love to!
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Guardian_A
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| Zarm R'keeg wrote: |
-The Holiday Special (From Jefferson Starship's actual in-universe role to stats for aliens that drink through a hole-in-the-head and fast-motion slow-motion Amorphian, etc.)
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Shudder, . . . . that's painful to even think about. On the other hand, the idea comes up often enough that it probably deserves a serious look.
| Zarm R'keeg wrote: |
Now, if all of that (minus aspects of each that have already been covered in other sourcebooks) seems like too much for one project, it would be easy to break up into an 'Early TV Star Wars' (Holiday Special, Ewok Movies, and toons) and 'Early Star Wars Comics' (Newspaper strips and Marvel comics). Or, into an 'Ewok Sourcebook' (TV movies and the Cartoon) and 'Early EU Sourcebook' (everything else).
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I've wanted an "Endor Sourcebook" for a long time. Something that covers both the Ewok movies and cartoon would be great!
The Droids Cartoon/Comics might have enough material to put together a small sourcebook too.
I kind of enjoyed the old Marvel comics & comic strips, there is a lot to work with if we can get some people interested in working on it.
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In addition, little odds 'n ends:
-Fan stats for every alien marked with an asterisk ("stats not available") in Gry Sarth's alien sourcebook... and maybe a few more from the EU, like the aforemention Glottalphibs, Waru, and, if it hasn't been covered, stats and expanded info for every monster in Dejarik (yes, even the fictional Molatar- it's gotta be based on SOMETHING real, right? Maybe Tilotny threw it as a shape sometime...). Plus Beldorion the Hutt- I'd be really interested to see what his stats would look like.
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I like this idea. If we put together something for some of the alien races that have been added to the universe since the "Alien Stats" collection was created, we might be able to complie a "Alien Encounters 2" or another Galexy Guide: Aliens.
| Zarm R'keeg wrote: |
-The entry's from StarWars.com's "What's the Story" contest- they all have backstories, now they need stats! (And, though it would take a little research, if there's any species, major characters, or vehicles unstated from Decipher's card game line... like the cnatina patron they created based on a dianoga, and the other stick thin one, whom I've been trying to find for the last 45 minutes but can't because a bunch of fickin' idiots on Wookiepedia have deleted the list of Cnatina Patrons list saying that it's stupid and no one would ever be looking for a list of cantina patrons and mocking it as equivalent to 'list of people who've been on Coruscant'...!!!!!!!!! AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!! ...okay, calm, deep breaths...)
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I still play the old Decipher Star Wars CCG. I dont know how much help I would be, but I'd love to be part of that project!
| Zarm R'keeg wrote: | | Meanwhile, I'd love to help out with this project... I have little artistic talent, and I'm rubbish with balanced stats, but in terms of creative writing, bios, backstories, expanded backgrounds- as well as, for some of the more esoteric suggestions above, research, screencaps, and digging into the nitty-gritty to pull out available info- so if there's any way I can contribute, I'd love to! |
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KageRyu
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Now, seeing information on some of the stuff from the Daily strips (newspaper strips) while it would definately be interesting, might prove extremely difficult. I have only the vaguest of memories of some of those (one of the more solid ones being Vader's Personal Gaurd - Black Stormtroopers with Lightsabers). The trickiest part would be to first find surviving archives of these strips to review for detailed information and discussion. I am not against the idea, just pointing out the major problem I see.
The Marvel comics, on the other hand, are more readily available in a variety of methods for review and discussion, which makes trying to incorporate some of that material in to RPG stats a more attainable goal.
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KageRyu
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| Guardian_A wrote: | | Zarm R'keeg wrote: |
-The Holiday Special (From Jefferson Starship's actual in-universe role to stats for aliens that drink through a hole-in-the-head and fast-motion slow-motion Amorphian, etc.)
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Shudder, . . . . that's painful to even think about. On the other hand, the idea comes up often enough that it probably deserves a serious look. |
I am in general agreement - I am scarred for life having seen it... but it does get asked for, so it should be considered.
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Now, if all of that (minus aspects of each that have already been covered in other sourcebooks) seems like too much for one project, it would be easy to break up into an 'Early TV Star Wars' (Holiday Special, Ewok Movies, and toons) and 'Early Star Wars Comics' (Newspaper strips and Marvel comics). Or, into an 'Ewok Sourcebook' (TV movies and the Cartoon) and 'Early EU Sourcebook' (everything else).
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I've wanted an "Endor Sourcebook" for a long time. Something that covers both the Ewok movies and cartoon would be great! |
This would be a prime canidate for the planets books we have been discussing - we should probably add Endor to the list of worlds needing a closer look. Though I do feel, we should seperate out the aspects of the world that are from the cartoon into their own section with some sort of mention so that those GMs not wishing to "go there" can avoid "there". While I was still young enough to enjoy the cartoons on first run, now I see they were so kidified and not really a Star Wars feel (heck, even the Stormtroopers never had blasters...really?)
| Quote: | | I kind of enjoyed the old Marvel comics & comic strips, there is a lot to work with if we can get some people interested in working on it. |
Yes, they had some interesting ideas, and would be worth doing. But some of what they contained even old-schoolers would call sacriligeous.
| Zarm R'keeg wrote: | | Meanwhile, I'd love to help out with this project... I have little artistic talent, and I'm rubbish with balanced stats, but in terms of creative writing, bios, backstories, expanded backgrounds- as well as, for some of the more esoteric suggestions above, research, screencaps, and digging into the nitty-gritty to pull out available info- so if there's any way I can contribute, I'd love to! |
Come on over to the Yahoo group page, join us, we will train you >
errr... I mean, every bit helps, and having people to add ideas to the discussion leads to more interesting and well ballanced end results I feel. Could definately use help compiling and organizing bios, backstories, and ideas into a final written form I feel - that would help a lot. People to research and gather screen-caps, reference images, and hard data are very much welcommed.
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Zarm R'keeg
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Kaloth Varsk
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I'm debating putting together an "Allegience" source book based on the Zahn novel. There were enough interesting characters, ships, and new pieces of equipment that my first reaction upon reading it was "this would make great source material for a sourcebook."
I have an outline sitting around somewhere, and I have enough time now I think I might finally try to tackle a draft. |
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Forceally
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| Kaloth Varsk wrote: | I'm debating putting together an "Allegience" source book based on the Zahn novel. There were enough interesting characters, ships, and new pieces of equipment that my first reaction upon reading it was "this would make great source material for a sourcebook."
I have an outline sitting around somewhere, and I have enough time now I think I might finally try to tackle a draft. |
Suggestion - expand on your idea a little. Instead of a sourcebook for just Allegiance, have a sourcebook for Allegiance, Choices of One, and maybe Crisis of Faith. I wouldn't object to another sourcebook dealing with Outbound Flight, Survivor's Quest, and Fool's Bargain. |
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Kaloth Varsk
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| Forceally wrote: | | Kaloth Varsk wrote: | I'm debating putting together an "Allegience" source book based on the Zahn novel. There were enough interesting characters, ships, and new pieces of equipment that my first reaction upon reading it was "this would make great source material for a sourcebook."
I have an outline sitting around somewhere, and I have enough time now I think I might finally try to tackle a draft. |
Suggestion - expand on your idea a little. Instead of a sourcebook for just Allegiance, have a sourcebook for Allegiance, Choices of One, and maybe Crisis of Faith. I wouldn't object to another sourcebook dealing with Outbound Flight, Survivor's Quest, and Fool's Bargain. |
I am considering including material from Choices of One as well, once I see how much material actually comes out of Allegiance. Those two fit together well as a single source, especially as they take place only 2 months apart and share most of the character base.
Crisis of Faith isn't as good a fit for that material since it takes place 7-8 years later, setting it in the New Republic era. The other books are also good, but I'm not as interested there. Part of what I love with Allegiance (and Choices of One) is that it is set right in what I consider the sweet spot for SW RPG's. I like the post battle of Yavin setting. |
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I'm glad you're considering adding Choices of One to your potential sourcebook. As for Crisis of Faith, I only added that because Nuso Esva and the Troukree, both of whom made their debut in Choices of One, appeared in Crisis of Faith.
If you're going to be providing stats for established characters in this sourcebook - Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Mara, etc. - then you might have a hard time with that. The Heroes of Yavin have official stats as of ANH and ESB, so you'll know where they improved and by how much during the interim. It's how you apply the increases that's the difficulty. As for Mara, her first official stats occur as of HTTE. So you're going to have to modify her stats accordingly.
If you're familiar with the conversion sourcebook projects Gry Sarth and cheshire performed for the Saga Sourcebooks from WotC, then I should inform you that I helped them by going through the official WEG books and previously converted works from the OCRB and RCRB. I informed them of what already had official d6 stats from WEG, or had been listed in the OCRB and RCRB books and had already been converted. By doing this, I was able to shave off their to-do list and let them get their works out faster. At the very end, I helped by offering my ideas on d6 conversions for the alien races. I'm willing to offer my assistance again in searching for established stats, thus reducing your to-do list, and some suggestions for the alien stats. |
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Guardian_A
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| Kaloth Varsk wrote: | | Forceally wrote: | | Kaloth Varsk wrote: | I'm debating putting together an "Allegience" source book based on the Zahn novel. There were enough interesting characters, ships, and new pieces of equipment that my first reaction upon reading it was "this would make great source material for a sourcebook."
I have an outline sitting around somewhere, and I have enough time now I think I might finally try to tackle a draft. |
Suggestion - expand on your idea a little. Instead of a sourcebook for just Allegiance, have a sourcebook for Allegiance, Choices of One, and maybe Crisis of Faith. I wouldn't object to another sourcebook dealing with Outbound Flight, Survivor's Quest, and Fool's Bargain. |
I am considering including material from Choices of One as well, once I see how much material actually comes out of Allegiance. Those two fit together well as a single source, especially as they take place only 2 months apart and share most of the character base.
Crisis of Faith isn't as good a fit for that material since it takes place 7-8 years later, setting it in the New Republic era. The other books are also good, but I'm not as interested there. Part of what I love with Allegiance (and Choices of One) is that it is set right in what I consider the sweet spot for SW RPG's. I like the post battle of Yavin setting. |
Look at what they did with Cracken's threat dossier. The books represented in that resource are from a wide range of time, starting with the Courtship of Princess Leah (8ABY), to the Corellian Crisis (18ABY.) That said, I do prefer my resources to cover a single event or sequence of events for the ease of reference. |
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Kaloth Varsk
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| Forceally wrote: | | I'm glad you're considering adding Choices of One to your potential sourcebook. As for Crisis of Faith, I only added that because Nuso Esva and the Troukree, both of whom made their debut in Choices of One, appeared in Crisis of Faith. |
I do see the connection, but I don't think they fit into what I would like to target. I'm still not convinced whether I'll include Choices of one or not. I can see quite a bit of material for just one book, so I'll have to watch how big it gets.
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If you're going to be providing stats for established characters in this sourcebook - Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Mara, etc. - then you might have a hard time with that. The Heroes of Yavin have official stats as of ANH and ESB, so you'll know where they improved and by how much during the interim. It's how you apply the increases that's the difficulty. As for Mara, her first official stats occur as of HTTE. So you're going to have to modify her stats accordingly. |
For the heroes of Yavin, I think the ANH stats are already appropriate and don't require modifications (with one exception.) I haven't decided whether to just repeat those stats within the sourcebook, or to put a note to see their stats in GG1. I'm leaning towards the latter, partly to save space. The one exception may be Luke, who definately shows growth in his force skills between ANH and this book, although he is nowhere near ESB levels.
Mara is actually one of the reasons I thought this would be interesting. She has a baseline of stats from HttE, but we get to power her down by a decade to fit this setting. She still is shown to be quite skilled, both in the force and other skills, so I think that will be a challenge in some ways.
The most compelling characters however are the 5 stormtrooper characters. The chance to explore some non-stock stormtroopers is one of the key reasons I like this project. I'm also a huge ISB fan, so a couple ISB characters wasn't a downside either for me. Then we also have a pirate who uses tactics and tricks more than blaster skills. Also a plus in my book.
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If you're familiar with the conversion sourcebook projects Gry Sarth and cheshire performed for the Saga Sourcebooks from WotC, then I should inform you that I helped them by going through the official WEG books and previously converted works from the OCRB and RCRB. I informed them of what already had official d6 stats from WEG, or had been listed in the OCRB and RCRB books and had already been converted. By doing this, I was able to shave off their to-do list and let them get their works out faster. At the very end, I helped by offering my ideas on d6 conversions for the alien races. I'm willing to offer my assistance again in searching for established stats, thus reducing your to-do list, and some suggestions for the alien stats. |
I may take you up on it. I actually did a little research at one time in my outline for what stats existed and what didn't. If I recall correctly, there is actually only 1 new alien race in the book. Zahn is actually excellent at using old RPG material to fill in where he could (he's even said so on occasion). So I believe all other alien races in the entire book actually have stats.
There are a couple of new weapons or technology items in the book, but the majority of those are also statted in books somewhere. I recall there being a sniper rifle, some explosive liquid, and sentry mode for AT-ST's that were all new without checking my list.
I believe there were no new ships (although he did use my favorite ship the 2200!)
There are lots of new planets and systems. I believe a chapter on the sector is probably one of the areas that would bring the most value to the project, since it would all be new material.
So overall, I do see this as a mix of new and compiling existing material. New characters and systems make up the bulk of the new, with the technology and races fronts being heavily weighted towards compiling existing material. |
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| when you do your stats for Mara, I seem to remember that she lost some of her force powers when the emperor died. The thought was that the emperor was enchancing her powers at the time. So her powers might be more during her hand days. |
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Kaloth Varsk
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| Luwingo_Spince wrote: | | when you do your stats for Mara, I seem to remember that she lost some of her force powers when the emperor died. The thought was that the emperor was enchancing her powers at the time. So her powers might be more during her hand days. |
That's actually a good point that I will try to reflect. Perhaps "shared power" in the force powers section would be appropriate as well.
The other major force component was seeing how involved Obiwan actaully was with Luke. Luke was pretty worthless coming up with things on his own, but his constant guidance from Obiwan worked like having senses beyond his own. Obiwan told him about ambushes, who to trust, etc. Basically, Obiwan had access to all his sensing powers from life, and communicated what he sensed to Luke. That's pretty major, and could make for some intersting character concepts where a force user themselves weren't very powerful, but a "force spirit" guiding them lets them do things they otherwise couldn't. It's something I wanted to explore more, and I wasn't sure if there were previous rules written for this. (I didn't find any in my search.) |
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