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Jatrell
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Do ships cost Character points to upgrade or money?
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Bren
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| According to the RAW, upgrades require money and successful skill rolls for the appropriate skill e.g. upgrading a space transport's engines would require a space transport repair roll against the appropriate difficulty. |
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jmanski
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Unless you use 1st edition, then you use CPs.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jmanski wrote: | | Unless you use 1st edition, then you use CPs. |
Since I don't have the first edition, I forgot that, which reminds me of the following:
"If we had some bruallki, we could have bruallki and Menkooro…if we had some Menkooro.” |
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CRMcNeill
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A while back, I proposed the idea of allowing characters to transfer CPs to their ship so that the ship itself could use them for soak rolls, much like how characters use them. The transfer occurs between missions, so that a character during level-up can choose to transfer CPs from himself to his ship, in the form of personally performing regular maintenance, tinkering, etc. Kinda like Malcolm Reynolds' monologue at the end of the movie Serenity about how a ship that is loved can do more than a ship that is just a ship.
But apart from that, I think it is more realistic for a ship to be improved by credits than an actual CP cost to improve its stats.
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Fallon Kell
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Kinda like Malcolm Reynolds' monologue at the end of the movie Serenity about how a ship that is loved can do more than a ship that is just a ship. |
I just saw that again last night. So good.
I do think that's an interesting way to do it. Would the player or the GM determine when the CP are used?
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CRMcNeill
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| Fallon Kell wrote: | | crmcneill wrote: | | Kinda like Malcolm Reynolds' monologue at the end of the movie Serenity about how a ship that is loved can do more than a ship that is just a ship. |
I just saw that again last night. So good.
I do think that's an interesting way to do it. Would the player or the GM determine when the CP are used? |
Not sure. I would think the PCs would do it, in the form of sweet talking the ship ("Hear me, baby? Hold together.")
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Esoomian
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I recently reread a book which talked about why ships are given human names. I can't seem to find the quote online anywhere but it also made me think about the discussion of giving ships character points.
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Jatrell
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Right now Im doing the credit thing, and having the player (Who is a teachy/gearhead) make tech checks to install it. I thought I read somewhere (though in my ignorance I did not bookmark it) that it takes CP's. If it took CP's that would really put this player behind in skills so I decided to alowed the tech check rolls. I guess at the same time, Jedi characters are limited on other skills if they dump points in LS Skill and force attributes every game. I appreciate the help and any continued insight is always appreciated
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| Jatrell wrote: | | Right now Im doing the credit thing, and having the player (Who is a teachy/gearhead) make tech checks to install it. I thought I read somewhere (though in my ignorance I did not bookmark it) that it takes CP's. If it took CP's that would really put this player behind in skills so I decided to alowed the tech check rolls. I guess at the same time, Jedi characters are limited on other skills if they dump points in LS Skill and force attributes every game. I appreciate the help and any continued insight is always appreciated |
Back in 1st edtion, players impoeved ships by spending CP, just like they were imrpoving thier characters. Laster on, this got changed to credits.
If you saw CP somewhere, it was probably in a first edition rulebook or 1st edition supplement.
I'd advise caution with allowing characters to spend CP to imrpove thier ships. The biggest pitfall, IMO, is that there is no limit to the die codes achievable via Cps, and ypu could see PC ships with 10D Hull and/or Damage Codes! |
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Just limit it like wiht spending credits. 1d+1 above base.
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Jatrell
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I agree with using credits completely. I may have read that CP rule in 1st edition. Thought I had 2nd so I will verify that. I also make the owner make a successful tech check to upgrade it himself. He has failed and looses the money and the component. I appreciate the insight. Always very helpfull
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And with credits to do it, you don't have to worry about too many cp's being drained from the controlling pc.
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